May 07 20:03:19 *	rl03 has changed the topic to: web applications on Gentoo | team meeting now | no reply? wait a while, we're around | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/webapps
May 07 20:03:30 rl03	wrobel: Stuart: ping
May 07 20:03:41 wrobel	I'm here ... heya ;)
May 07 20:03:50 CHTEKK	right, that's what I forgot to do!
May 07 20:04:16 CHTEKK	php meetings have been... absent :) but well, not much to say, anyway
May 07 20:07:46 rl03	Stuart's always late :)
May 07 20:08:22 wrobel	:)
May 07 20:08:43 CHTEKK	he could just have forgotten, iirc he had to work this weekend
May 07 20:10:59 rl03	we really need him here :)
May 07 20:12:45 rl03	not on skype either
May 07 20:14:55 rl03	alright
May 07 20:15:07 rl03	anyone else here for the meeting?
May 07 20:15:29 rl03	CHTEKK: are you logging?
May 07 20:16:15 CHTEKK	always
May 07 20:16:27 rl03	ok
May 07 20:16:36 rl03	so we have 3 things on the agenda
May 07 20:17:20 rl03	1. i'm afk for ~2.5 months starting June 1
May 07 20:17:40 rl03	so we'll need someone else to help maintain our packages
May 07 20:17:49 rl03	i've talked to Stuart about this briefly, and he said he'll help
May 07 20:17:57 CHTEKK	hmmm rl03 wait a sec, there may be someone that can help
May 07 20:18:08 rl03	ok
May 07 20:18:25 wrobel	I will also help out but I definitely won't be able to do much more than 10-15 ebuilds
May 07 20:19:23 CHTEKK	rl03, cause vivo was contacted by a user that was intersted in doing php,security,perl work, atm he started on dev-perl/ bugs, but www-apps/ would probably fall into the same category
May 07 20:19:33 CHTEKK	so maybe that user (that wants to become dev afaik) could help out
May 07 20:19:41 rl03	interesting
May 07 20:19:44 CHTEKK	I've contacted vivo to join here as soon as he can so we can discuss that a bit
May 07 20:19:45 wrobel	what about lares?
May 07 20:19:55 wrobel	did he vanish again?
May 07 20:19:58 rl03	heh
May 07 20:20:03 rl03	i like the idea in principle
May 07 20:20:14 rl03	how soon will he get the dev privileges?
May 07 20:20:41 CHTEKK	no clue, he still needs to be mentored afaics, we need vivo's input (and the users probably too :) ) on that
May 07 20:21:11 CHTEKK	I'll be probably able to help out a little more too, with the summer holidays coming up, at least from ~20 june onwards
May 07 20:21:59 rl03	it would be nice to get his help but he'll need to be supervised, at least in the beginning
May 07 20:22:34 wrobel	would it make sense to create a list of webapps and fix the responsibilities beforehand?
May 07 20:22:53 CHTEKK	rl03, yeah sure
May 07 20:23:05 CHTEKK	wrobel, hmmm i don't know... who has time does the stuff, and that's it imo
May 07 20:23:05 rl03	wrobel: that would be helpful, yes
May 07 20:23:09 CHTEKK	but it could help
May 07 20:23:14 wrobel	:)
May 07 20:23:40 rl03	i personally just go by whoever gets to it first
May 07 20:23:40 wrobel	for me I think it would be helpful. If I know what apps I'm responsible for, I'm definitely more prone to doing it
May 07 20:23:46 rl03	ok
May 07 20:24:01 rl03	we could use the list of webapps on devwiki
May 07 20:24:37 wrobel	yes, that's a good idea. we could just add something like a second maintainer. especially in case of security stuff
May 07 20:24:42 rl03	most of them don't require a lot of work
May 07 20:25:04 rl03	an occasional version bump or so
May 07 20:25:07 CHTEKK	hrmm but it would anyway be just a guideline right?
May 07 20:25:12 *	Stuart waves hello
May 07 20:25:13 rl03	CHTEKK: yeah
May 07 20:25:18 rl03	Stuart!
May 07 20:25:20 wrobel	Stuart: hey ;)
May 07 20:25:26 wrobel	CHTEKK: sure
May 07 20:25:27 CHTEKK	cause if I fex have nothing do to, I'd start just working on others, even if I'm not "responsible" for them in the list, right?
May 07 20:25:29 CHTEKK	k
May 07 20:25:31 CHTEKK	lo Stuart 
May 07 20:25:35 Stuart	lo folks
May 07 20:25:38 wrobel	CHTEKK: absolutely
May 07 20:25:46 *	vivo (n=vivo@gentoo/developer/vivo) has joined #gentoo-web
May 07 20:25:49 vivo	hola
May 07 20:26:01 CHTEKK	lo vivo
May 07 20:26:21 rl03	should we just restart, since Stuart and vivo joined? :)
May 07 20:26:31 Stuart	carry on
May 07 20:26:44 vivo	chtekk will tell me ;)
May 07 20:27:13 rl03	Stuart: so what's your availability in the summer? how much do you think you will be able to help with maintaining our packages?
May 07 20:27:23 CHTEKK	vivo, basically we need to know if that user could help out in www-apps/, if he's intersted, how much time he needs mentoring still etc
May 07 20:27:33 Stuart	rl03: at the moment, my availability is terrible
May 07 20:27:57 Stuart	rl03: I'm hoping to fix that, but best to assume things stay as they are :(
May 07 20:28:07 vivo	summer is soon, sure he will not be prepared for the time, but may be a support
May 07 20:28:43 rl03	ok
May 07 20:29:06 rl03	so realistically it's on wrobel and CHTEKK, with possibly occasional help from me?
May 07 20:29:24 Stuart	unless we can find new members
May 07 20:29:40 rl03	lares? trombik?
May 07 20:29:55 rl03	they're not around much these days
May 07 20:30:03 *	Stuart nods
May 07 20:30:08 CHTEKK	yeah, didn't see lares for a long time now :(
May 07 20:30:20 vivo	I could also be a proxy for that user and ocassionally help myself
May 07 20:30:21 CHTEKK	and they would anyway need time to be mentored, dev-quizzes, etc
May 07 20:30:24 Stuart	I'll do my best to help out when I can
May 07 20:30:52 vivo	but need an intro to the web-app code, I don't use it atm
May 07 20:31:16 rl03	vivo: i can probably help you with that
May 07 20:31:55 rl03	would it be helpful if i prepared a list of packages that i think will need the most attention, so you guys can divide it up?
May 07 20:32:01 CHTEKK	yeah
May 07 20:32:10 vivo	y
May 07 20:32:24 CHTEKK	and a minimal rundown of some w-c tips&tricks, if there are any special things that are not well known but useful? :)
May 07 20:32:26 wrobel	y
May 07 20:32:28 rl03	ok
May 07 20:32:43 rl03	vivo: are you subscribed to -web-user ?
May 07 20:32:50 vivo	no
May 07 20:32:55 vivo	I'll do
May 07 20:32:57 rl03	ok
May 07 20:33:35 rl03	anything else on this item ?
May 07 20:33:45 Stuart	enjoy your vacation? :)
May 07 20:33:49 rl03	heh
May 07 20:34:00 CHTEKK	agreed, enjoy ;)
May 07 20:34:09 CHTEKK	well-deserved vacation, might I add ;)
May 07 20:34:16 Stuart	yeah :)
May 07 20:34:34 vivo	ok, me to, enjoy
May 07 20:34:37 Stuart	mmm ... how many packages would we have to maintain if rl03 hadn't been putting them into the tree? :)
May 07 20:34:39 rl03	cool - mail me your addresses if you want postcards :)
May 07 20:34:43 rl03	haha
May 07 20:34:52 rl03	Stuart: probably half as many
May 07 20:35:02 Stuart	lol
May 07 20:35:21 CHTEKK	:D but then, otoh, we wouldn't have rl03 maintaing the other half too ;)
May 07 20:35:23 *	vivo is now subscribed
May 07 20:35:25 rl03	but at least we can hang with the big boys now, purely by numbers :)
May 07 20:35:26 Stuart	I'll probably start paying more attention to a few key packages over the summer
May 07 20:35:28 CHTEKK	I'm off to eat, cu in a bit!
May 07 20:35:38 rl03	CHTEKK: later
May 07 20:35:46 rl03	Stuart: that reminds me. drupal?
May 07 20:35:48 Stuart	now that I have LAMP Desktop Edition more or less built, I'll be sorting a few things out for a server edition
May 07 20:36:01 Stuart	rl03: yeah, I'm planning to sort drupal out this week
May 07 20:36:04 rl03	ok
May 07 20:36:16 rl03	item 2: stuart's afk
May 07 20:37:31 rl03	Stuart: anything you want to say about that?
May 07 20:37:44 Stuart	not personally, no
May 07 20:37:56 rl03	ok
May 07 20:38:07 rl03	item 3: project status report for userrel
May 07 20:38:25 rl03	i assume you guys have seen curtis119's email?
May 07 20:38:34 Stuart	I haven't
May 07 20:38:39 Stuart	where was it sent?
May 07 20:38:51 rl03	-dev
May 07 20:38:55 rl03	april 28
May 07 20:39:01 *	Stuart goes to have a look
May 07 20:39:32 rl03	basically, they want a brief update, kinda like what wrobel did a few months ago
May 07 20:40:05 wrobel	do we really have that much to report?
May 07 20:40:16 rl03	not really
May 07 20:40:28 rl03	so i'm thinking we just submit that :)
May 07 20:40:44 Stuart	ageed
May 07 20:40:48 wrobel	yeah, we actually did not really announce it so that should be ok
May 07 20:41:07 Stuart	since you delivered python w-c, we've really been in maintenance mode
May 07 20:41:11 rl03	wrobel: could you look it over to see if it needs updating and mail it to the list again?
May 07 20:41:19 wrobel	k
May 07 20:41:44 rl03	great
May 07 20:41:48 rl03	anything else?
May 07 20:42:38 Stuart	not from me
May 07 20:42:44 wrobel	me neither
May 07 20:42:47 rl03	if not, next meeting is in 2 months, i'll update the wiki page and send out the minutes
May 07 20:42:53 rl03	CHTEKK: could you mail me the log?
May 07 20:43:17 rl03	ok, thanks all :)
May 07 20:43:18 Stuart	I'm expecting to be busy during May w/ the overlay site
May 07 20:43:38 Stuart	infra now have what they need from me, so o.g.o should follow within a couple of weeks
May 07 20:43:40 *	rl03 has changed the topic to: web applications on Gentoo | no reply? wait a while, we're around | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/webapps