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+Dec 15 14:00:08 <NeddySeagoon>	Roll call
+Dec 15 14:00:34 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, SwifT quantumsummers|c 
+Dec 15 14:00:36 <dabbott>	I'm logging too, present
+Dec 15 14:00:50 <NeddySeagoon>	SwifT, said he may not make it
+Dec 15 14:00:51 <SwifT>	make it just in time
+Dec 15 14:00:52 <quantumsummers|c>	hello
+Dec 15 14:00:52 <dabbott>	SwifT: said he is on the road
+Dec 15 14:01:01 <SwifT>	just have to take my coat off
+Dec 15 14:01:09 <dabbott>	sorry SwifT hello :)
+Dec 15 14:01:13 <SwifT>	np
+Dec 15 14:01:23 <NeddySeagoon>	We have a quorum - lets start
+Dec 15 14:01:24 <SwifT>	and I still drove within the limits :p
+Dec 15 14:01:30 *	quantumsummers|c may have to run off to manage kids from time to time
+Dec 15 14:02:00 <dabbott>	hi quantumsummers|c Betelgeuse o/
+Dec 15 14:02:14 <NeddySeagoon>	Foundation Activity Tracker - looks like everything is up to date
+Dec 15 14:02:48 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, Quarterly Financial Statements ...
+Dec 15 14:03:17 <dabbott>	I put together that wiki page for review, is this what we want to do?
+Dec 15 14:03:41 <dabbott>	if it is just need the numbers to proceed
+Dec 15 14:03:57 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, looks good to me.  Do yo intend to bigrate the history?
+Dec 15 14:04:07 <quantumsummers|c>	working on packaging them now dabbott
+Dec 15 14:04:09 <NeddySeagoon>	migrate*
+Dec 15 14:04:09 <dabbott>	yes
+Dec 15 14:04:27 <dabbott>	quantumsummers|c: sounds good :)
+Dec 15 14:05:09 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|c, your turn ...  Treasurer Report  (I missed that)
+Dec 15 14:06:47 *	SwifT guesses one of his kids ran off ;)
+Dec 15 14:07:24 <dol-sen>	if he says we have $15M, I change my mind about that desk ;)
+Dec 15 14:07:26 <NeddySeagoon>	looks lke quantumsummers|c is rounding up children ... Swift your turn Gentoo Trademark License Agreement
+Dec 15 14:07:33 <quantumsummers|c>	well we dont have that 
+Dec 15 14:07:46 <SwifT>	quantumsummers|c: the floor is yours
+Dec 15 14:08:23 <quantumsummers|c>	gonna have to come back .. runs
+Dec 15 14:08:34 <SwifT>	ok, i'll do a bit on the trademark license then 
+Dec 15 14:08:45 <SwifT>	I wrote up a new text based on the django one and sent it to you guys
+Dec 15 14:08:46 <NeddySeagoon>	hes outnumbered  :)
+Dec 15 14:09:01 <SwifT>	i have a few things I'm not certain about, mentioned as notes in the document
+Dec 15 14:09:35 <SwifT>	the most important one is to know if the new license has at least the same things are the current one
+Dec 15 14:10:02 <SwifT>	if it does, then there is no issue with people/orgnizations that based the name/logo usage on the previous (well, current ;-) license
+Dec 15 14:10:03 <NeddySeagoon>	SwifT, I only have some trivia ... but I'm nervous about the council representing Gentoo
+Dec 15 14:10:28 <SwifT>	I could drop that part; Django had something like that so I just copied ;)
+Dec 15 14:11:13 <NeddySeagoon>	We can say that existing licenced activities are not affcted
+Dec 15 14:11:57 <SwifT>	so keep the current one (albeit with a marking that it is no longer applicable to new applications) and refer to it for the previous applications (that predate the new license)
+Dec 15 14:12:28 <SwifT>	should we incorporate some timing in the license? Like ask applicants to check on a yearly basis if there are updates to it?
+Dec 15 14:12:30 <NeddySeagoon>	It saves having to validate that old and new are compatible
+Dec 15 14:13:56 <SwifT>	a second question I have is if we should discuss the license on -nfp or -project before going live?
+Dec 15 14:14:19 <NeddySeagoon>	That souns overy onourous - wolud we really expect licencees to change?  Users should consult the licence at each use
+Dec 15 14:15:11 <SwifT>	it would help us that we don't need to keep older licenses at hand for eternity
+Dec 15 14:15:13 <NeddySeagoon>	Discuss on -nfp and post an announce on -project
+Dec 15 14:16:02 <NeddySeagoon>	Are we really going to say "you can't do that any more" ?
+Dec 15 14:16:08 <SwifT>	most licenses are time-bound, but that is not that common in the free software world (more in propriatary one)
+Dec 15 14:16:28 <NeddySeagoon>	How oten is the licence likely to change?
+Dec 15 14:16:34 <SwifT>	it's more to handle misinterpretations better
+Dec 15 14:16:45 <NeddySeagoon>	agreed
+Dec 15 14:16:46 <SwifT>	at the pace we do it, it'll be somewhere in 2038 when Unix time changes ;)
+Dec 15 14:17:12 <SwifT>	otoh, we do already have an "interpretation" clause in it 
+Dec 15 14:17:23 <SwifT>	"The Gentoo Foundation reserves the right to determine if a usage of the Gentoo trademark meets the requirements and standards of this license. "
+Dec 15 14:17:51 <NeddySeagoon>	If it came to the "you can't do that any more" we would probably offer an exception anyway, which is just another licence
+Dec 15 14:18:02 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Dec 15 14:18:29 <SwifT>	so, to deal with the few notes I had:
+Dec 15 14:18:44 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, Betelgeuse your thoughts ?
+Dec 15 14:18:51 <SwifT>	(1.) Gentoo-related software projects: does this apply to us?
+Dec 15 14:19:03 <SwifT>	 You may use the Gentoo name in the form "Gentoo-foo" or "foo-Gentoo" in any software project that can be used to augment or extend the capabilities of official Gentoo project software, provided that:
+Dec 15 14:19:06 <dabbott>	looks fine to me
+Dec 15 14:19:07 <SwifT>	    The project is distributed under the terms of an OSI-approved open source license;
+Dec 15 14:19:10 <SwifT>	    The website for the project does not imply that it is official or otherwise endorsed by the Gentoo Foundation, or by the Gentoo Council as representatives of the Gentoo project.
+Dec 15 14:19:24 <SwifT>	no objections to keep it in?
+Dec 15 14:20:07 <NeddySeagoon>	or by the Gentoo Council as representatives of the Gentoo project.  is not good as the council has no legal stats
+Dec 15 14:20:12 <NeddySeagoon>	status.
+Dec 15 14:20:23 <SwifT>	yes, i'll drop the references to the council in the document
+Dec 15 14:20:32 <NeddySeagoon>	thanks
+Dec 15 14:20:36 <SwifT>	(2.) Other commercial activity:  You may not use the Gentoo name in the registered name of any company that offers Gentoo project related services.
+Dec 15 14:20:39 <SwifT>	You may not incorporate the Gentoo name or logo into the name of any product to be sold by a commercial entity when that product or entity is Gentoo project related. 
+Dec 15 14:21:13 <SwifT>	ok to keep that in?
+Dec 15 14:21:33 <NeddySeagoon>	The Gentoo Foundation  is properly called The Gentoo Foundation Inc.  
+Dec 15 14:21:49 <NeddySeagoon>	wfm
+Dec 15 14:21:49 <SwifT>	ok, will  add the "Inc" part to it
+Dec 15 14:22:00 <SwifT>	is it "The Gentoo Foundation Inc." or "The Gentoo Foundation, Inc." ?
+Dec 15 14:22:13 <NeddySeagoon>	the former
+Dec 15 14:22:44 <SwifT>	ok
+Dec 15 14:23:26 <dabbott>	yep GENTOO FOUNDATION, INC thats in NM
+Dec 15 14:23:57 <dabbott>	https://portal.sos.state.nm.us/corps/Corplookup/Lookdn.aspx
+Dec 15 14:23:58 <NeddySeagoon>	I did not do a proper compare with the old terms of use, but I did not see any clashes
+Dec 15 14:24:02 <SwifT>	ok then, i'll update the document and first send it to trustees@gentoo.org and after a few days, if there are no further remarks, see if the community has any feedback on the gentoo-nfp@g.o mailinglist. 
+Dec 15 14:24:09 <Betelgeuse>	SwifT: can we get a link to your draft for the logs
+Dec 15 14:24:16 <SwifT>	sure: http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/tmp/gentoo-trademark.xml
+Dec 15 14:24:52 <SwifT>	after gentoo-nfp discussion we'll see by mail if we can move it to the site immediately, or if it needs another discussion on IRC, k?
+Dec 15 14:25:10 <SwifT>	dabbott: do hey always shout there? ;)
+Dec 15 14:25:12 <dabbott>	sounds good thanks SwifT 
+Dec 15 14:25:28 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Dec 15 14:25:33 <NeddySeagoon>	As quantumsummers|c is still MIA, lets move onto bugs
+Dec 15 14:25:34 <Betelgeuse>	SwifT: sounds like a good plan
+Dec 15 14:25:59 <Betelgeuse>	SwifT: when posting to the ml, let's list clearly the motivation too
+Dec 15 14:26:17 <NeddySeagoon>	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492386
+Dec 15 14:26:28 <SwifT>	Betelgeuse: k, i'll send it to trustees@g.o to make sure I have it in ;)
+Dec 15 14:26:36 <NeddySeagoon>	bug 492386
+Dec 15 14:26:37 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/492386 "Fund the setup of an opensource chocolate to use at conventions"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; dabbott:trustees
+Dec 15 14:27:12 <NeddySeagoon>	I vote No - its not a good use of funds
+Dec 15 14:27:16 <SwifT>	i don't think chocolate is a good PR investment for us
+Dec 15 14:27:30 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, Betelgeuse 
+Dec 15 14:27:31 <dabbott>	I vote no, stickers, dvd's, t-shirts even but no to food
+Dec 15 14:28:07 <dabbott>	I would go for funding a dinner
+Dec 15 14:28:07 <NeddySeagoon>	Thats 3 Nos ... Betelgeuse quantumsummers|c ?
+Dec 15 14:28:26 <Betelgeuse>	Thought that doesn't seem to be directly the chocolate
+Dec 15 14:29:32 <NeddySeagoon>	I've lost a bug ...
+Dec 15 14:29:47 <Betelgeuse>	well directly as in directly buying chocolate
+Dec 15 14:30:24 <Betelgeuse>	I vote yes and let's move on
+Dec 15 14:30:34 <Betelgeuse>	(it could be an ok item for our web shop etc.)
+Dec 15 14:30:43 <dabbott>	NeddySeagoon: I closed the bug for dolsen it here https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493344
+Dec 15 14:30:47 <Betelgeuse>	buying the produced chocolate for FOSDEM probably not
+Dec 15 14:31:20 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, thanks
+Dec 15 14:32:00 <NeddySeagoon>	Bug 492384
+Dec 15 14:32:01 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/492384 "Update the process to request funds from the foundation"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; dabbott:trustees
+Dec 15 14:32:38 <NeddySeagoon>	Do we need any changes ?  the process seems to work well
+Dec 15 14:33:27 <NeddySeagoon>	The idea ot the process is to gather all the information
+Dec 15 14:34:25 <SwifT>	we do need to add in how to proceed, like David sais in the bug
+Dec 15 14:34:42 <dabbott>	I think I just need to add where to send the request and submit a bug for the request
+Dec 15 14:34:43 <SwifT>	if we work with a bugreport, there is traceability
+Dec 15 14:35:26 <NeddySeagoon>	ok, lets make it a bug
+Dec 15 14:35:31 <SwifT>	i don't know if there are reasons to make a bug private?
+Dec 15 14:35:33 <SwifT>	sec, fire alarm
+Dec 15 14:35:55 <Betelgeuse>	SwifT: I hope infra archives trustees like it does for many aliases
+Dec 15 14:36:03 <NeddySeagoon>	SwifT, yes.  Personal information
+Dec 15 14:36:19 <Betelgeuse>	still bugzilla is beneficial for future trustees
+Dec 15 14:36:22 <NeddySeagoon>	Betelgeuse, it does
+Dec 15 14:36:22 <Betelgeuse>	so they can search back
+Dec 15 14:37:45 *	NeddySeagoon posts SwifTs mobile number in a public bug  :) 
+Dec 15 14:38:17 <dabbott>	I was going to add to the document, send the request to trustees@gentoo and then we can make the bug
+Dec 15 14:38:38 <NeddySeagoon>	yes, that works
+Dec 15 14:38:53 <dabbott>	we don't have to require them to do the bug also
+Dec 15 14:39:03 <NeddySeagoon>	Bug 477374   Is this closed now?
+Dec 15 14:39:09 <dabbott>	they just need to attach the form to the email
+Dec 15 14:39:32 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, I like that workflow
+Dec 15 14:40:03 <dabbott>	ok will do
+Dec 15 14:40:11 <SwifT>	'ts ok, dead battery
+Dec 15 14:40:47 <NeddySeagoon>	Bug 477374   Is this closed now?
+Dec 15 14:40:52 <SwifT>	dabbott: ok, agree (mail to trustees and we make bug)
+Dec 15 14:41:05 <Betelgeuse>	sounds good
+Dec 15 14:41:23 <SwifT>	I don't have access to bug 477374
+Dec 15 14:42:44 <dabbott>	robbat2: was working on it afaik
+Dec 15 14:43:11 <dabbott>	SwifT: Its a bug for a sponsors logo change
+Dec 15 14:43:15 <NeddySeagoon>	SwifT, you are on the cc: list now
+Dec 15 14:43:32 <SwifT>	thx
+Dec 15 14:44:12 <dabbott>	NeddySeagoon: we should cc infra maybe robbat2 is not on the trustee alias anymore
+Dec 15 14:44:16 <NeddySeagoon>	ok, lets leave it.  Thats all the current bugs, unless anyone else has some ?
+Dec 15 14:44:32 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, true
+Dec 15 14:44:55 <Betelgeuse>	dabbott: I got the impression that he would be based on him answering a thread
+Dec 15 14:45:05 <Betelgeuse>	still we should probably think who should remain now
+Dec 15 14:45:36 <NeddySeagoon>	-infra or robbat2 ?
+Dec 15 14:45:53 <dabbott>	-infra
+Dec 15 14:46:45 <SwifT>	what donation did ostc give? It's not mentioned on the sponsors page 
+Dec 15 14:47:44 <NeddySeagoon>	SwifT, need quantumsummers|c for that probably
+Dec 15 14:47:51 <SwifT>	ah it was financial
+Dec 15 14:48:10 <NeddySeagoon>	New Business
+Dec 15 14:48:30 <NeddySeagoon>	Bug 493344  is closed
+Dec 15 14:48:33 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/493344 "Standing Desk for Brian Dolbec (aka dol-sen)"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; RESO, WORK; dabbott:trustees
+Dec 15 14:48:49 <NeddySeagoon>	Cleanup
+Dec 15 14:48:53 <dabbott>	dol-sen: any comments?
+Dec 15 14:49:28 <dabbott>	NeddySeagoon: I can do the logs and minutes
+Dec 15 14:49:35 <NeddySeagoon>	Date of Next Meeting - 19 Jan 2013 19:00 UTC
+Dec 15 14:49:44 <dabbott>	fine here
+Dec 15 14:49:52 <Betelgeuse>	ok
+Dec 15 14:49:56 <SwifT>	ok
+Dec 15 14:50:14 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|c ?
+Dec 15 14:50:29 <NeddySeagoon>	Any other business ...
+Dec 15 14:50:46 <dabbott>	none here
+Dec 15 14:50:52 <NeddySeagoon>	None from me
+Dec 15 14:50:57 <SwifT>	nope, none from me either
+Dec 15 14:51:04 <NeddySeagoon>	Betelgeuse, ?
+Dec 15 14:51:10 <Betelgeuse>	NeddySeagoon: no
+Dec 15 14:51:34 <NeddySeagoon>	Who will post the log? Minutes? dabbott has volenteered
+Dec 15 14:51:42 <Betelgeuse>	dabbott wfm
+Dec 15 14:51:46 <Betelgeuse>	kudos!
+Dec 15 14:51:54 <NeddySeagoon>	Open Floor ...
+Dec 15 14:52:02 <dabbott>	yep I got it :) I do both at the same time
+Dec 15 14:52:57 *	NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting