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+19:09 * NeddySeagoon banges the gavel to open the November 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call
+19:10 <@dabbott> present
+19:10 <@quantumsummers|c> present
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looging
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, robbat2|na
+19:10 <@rich0> present
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I seen to recall robbat2 said he may have some difficulty, so lets start
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Election Recording Date ... hmmm.
+19:12 <@dabbott> I like the idea of the elections after the Annual Report
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose the close of our January meeting, if we want to hold elections at the customary time
+19:12 <@quantumsummers|c> what is the date of the next election? In March somewhere?
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, its nomination in Feb, voting in Mar
+19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, yeah end of Jan is not a bad idea, like we have done before
+19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> I will note that my wife is due at the end of Jan, however
+19:13 <@dabbott> so 5 months until the Annual Report
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> We could move it closerto the AGM, so new trustees take their seats at the close of the AGM
+19:13 <@dabbott> perfect
+19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> I am OK with that as well
+19:14 <@rich0> I'm pretty flexible - it doesn't matter that much in practice and we can always try it and see how it works. Does create the lame-duck issue if you announce well before effective.
+19:14 <@rich0> But that works for POTUS.
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I have a mild preference of nonminations in July, votes in Aug so the old team present at the AGM
+19:15 <@rich0> If there is a membership revolt and they kick out all the trustees we can at least loot the treasury on the way out that way. :) (uh, did somebody mention logging)
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thoughts ?>
+19:15 <@quantumsummers|c> seems fine to me
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah, I did and am
+19:15 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, ++
+19:15 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, ++
+19:15 <@quantumsummers|c> no looting on my watch unless I get 25%
+19:16 <@quantumsummers|c> :D
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion - that the Trustee eclection be move to better coincide with the AGM.
+19:17 <@quantumsummers|c> seconded
+19:17 <@rich0> do we want to go ahead and specify the target, or wait till we get closer?
+19:17 <@quantumsummers|c> lets set it
+19:17 <@rich0> ie dates/etc.
+19:17 <@rich0> So, elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date?
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> This also means the elections project will not be slacking at FOSDEM
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works for me
+19:18 <@dabbott> sounds good
+19:18 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, care to revise your motion?
+19:19 <@rich0> assuming quantumsummers is fine with it?
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion that Trustee elsections be elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date to better alighn with the AGM
+19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> yes
+19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> seconded
+19:19 <@rich0> aye
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please
+19:19 <@dabbott> aye
+19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> +1
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Montion carried
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your turn ... SFLC Update, Certified Public Accountant and 501(c)(3) registration status
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> Ok, so
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> sflc: our previous council has moved to the software conservancy or gnome foundation so I hear
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> Karen, that is
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Ah well, do we have a new name ?
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> I need to setup a meeting to see who will be our contact going forward
+19:22 <@robbat2|na> hi
+19:22 <@quantumsummers|c> on my list for Monday
+19:22 <@quantumsummers|c> hello robbat2|na
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> hi robbat2|na
+19:22 <@robbat2|na> ah, i messed up the start time
+19:22 <@dabbott> hi robbat2|na
+19:22 <@robbat2|na> aye on election dates
+19:22 <@dabbott> Motion Trustee elections be elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date to better align with the AGM in AUG
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I guess that means the SFLC has made no progress on anything, its it could well be a step backwards.
+19:23 <@quantumsummers|c> that is fairly accurate
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, not much you can add to that until after your meeting then
+19:23 <@quantumsummers|c> that could also explain why I have received no response for a long time from karen
+19:23 <@dabbott> good thing they are free
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> that is true, dabbott
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> anyway, we'll get that taken care of, I just need to make contact again.
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> lets see
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> financials
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, does it need to be you? You nave a lot on just now
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: no it does not
+19:25 <@quantumsummers|c> I would like to have more than one person with them
+19:25 <@quantumsummers|c> I think that may make it easier
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, rich0 how about picking up the pieces with the SFLC ?
+19:25 <@dabbott> I can send them an email
+19:26 <@rich0> I don't mind getting involved. What is our end-goal with them anyway?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott: let me setup a meeting first then I can pass the torch
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it means you would become the point of contact with SFLC. Its more than just an email ?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> the main goal with them is assistance with license issues and other IP-related matters
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, that sounds like a plan
+19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> ok
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe a 3 way session
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> yep
+19:27 <@dabbott> ok sure, quantumsummers|a send me what you have I will contact them and let them know I will be a contact
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you and rich0 sort it out between you
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, we'll get that going
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> how about both rich0 and dabbott
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't have an issue with that
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> really I think all of us should be in contact with them
+19:27 <@rich0> Either is fine with me.
+19:27 <@dabbott> same here
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, I'll get the ball rolling on Monday'
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> so, lets see next
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, Certified Public Accountant
+19:28 <@rich0> It probably wouldn't hurt for us to think of some specific things we want to accomplish with them. Maybe sort out the logo?
+19:28 <@rich0> (belay that - until we get to it)
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds good
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, they already have a list of stuff ...
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> CPA, this got a little more complicated than I had hoped, so they filed typical extension
+19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> this is normal, and I do this every year actually
+19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> so we are still working on getting everything together
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, do we have a CPA under contract ?
+19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: yes
+19:30 <@quantumsummers|c> this includes the 1023 application, which there is some interesting stuff going on at the IRS apparently which has delayed nearly all FLOSS applications as well as several other types of orgs
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, thats good to know, can you post the details to the alias please. We all need to know it
+19:30 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: sure, I'll scan the paperwork next week, its all at my office
+19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> meant to do that awhile ago, and clearly forgot, sorry
+19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> in terms of other financial info
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks. quantumsummers|a I anticipate you won't have much time/bet much sleep in the new year
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> bet -> get
+19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> we shall see, I don't get much now
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> we have everyone reimbursed for GSOC travel and Donnie has submitted his invoice for foundation reimbursement
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good. Nobody should be out of pocket for that
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> I have one outstanding bug open for reimbursement for a recent hardware purchase
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> we should receive the funds from google soon
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> which is our main income for the year
+19:33 <@quantumsummers|c> I forget the exact number but with travel, etc, its maybe $9K
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> On a related topic, how do we keep track of projects in progress ? rich0 maybe your tracker should be expanded
+19:33 <@quantumsummers|c> I have been filing bugs for things that involve money for the most part
+19:33 <@rich0> I see my tracker being mainly for recurring activities.
+19:33 <@rich0> Wouldn't bugs be best for single instances of stuff in progress?
+19:34 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: I mentioned this in -infra, but maybe we should have a foundation group for private info/bugs
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I know that we have a mips project in progress, there was a similar request for alpha, which seemed to have stalled
+19:34 <@quantumsummers|c> as in restrict access, not sure if it matters really
+19:34 <@rich0> In fact, in an ideal world you could use the tracker to trigger creating a new bug. The tracker is the crontab, and the bug is the process.
+19:34 <@rich0> quantumsummers|a, ++
+19:35 <@rich0> I see this as an issue too. Right now stuff just goes around on the alias for confidentiality, and we never really close the loop properly to make sure we don't drop things.
+19:35 <@quantumsummers|c> anyway, I was told its fairly easy, robbat2|na would know more
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that sould pretty good. Where do we keep track of funds committed by not yet spent ?
+19:35 <@rich0> Bugzilla is perfect for tracking things that have a start and an end, and we can lock the bugs that are sensitive, and leave open the ones that are in there now.
+19:35 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, there is a trustees group under the foundation product already
+19:35 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: yeah, I agree it would be handy to have a place to manage things more centrally and for future proofing
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: I mean a restrict access bit
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> as in there is one already to restrict it to devs only, etc
+19:36 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, ah. ok. done
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> the product is there, yes. might add a few things to it beyond "proposal"
+19:36 <@rich0> Yup, just like security bugs, but trustees only and the CC list.
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks robbat2|na
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds good
+19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, paypal stuff
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, sorry for the digression
+19:37 <@rich0> I think the templates/organization is a nice to have, but the security is critical since that is what is keeping us out. We can't go posting bank account numbers even on dev-only bugs.
+19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> I am removing some previous persons SSN and replacing it with our EIN
+19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> that is some paperwork that I have to submit
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> it will make it easier moving forward to hand over control to more than one person or another single person, etc
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> I saw the process - it looks horrendus
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> nah, not too bad really
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> just paperwork, I have all the info I think
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Go ahead then quantumsummers|a
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> will do
+19:39 <@quantumsummers|c> we were able to get the server to replace osprey and the HDDs that robbat2|na wanted
+19:39 <@quantumsummers|c> I need to order 2 new caddies however, once I find where on the dell site
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> could not locate that on friday
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> so, some cost there but surely <$100
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe someone in -infra knows where
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> we overpaid for the HDDs due to Thai floods
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, well, we are committed now
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> yes
+19:41 <@quantumsummers|c> I have the part number, but could not find it, will probably just call
+19:41 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, we should double-check the caddys for the goog boxes as well
+19:41 <@robbat2|na> ping me after the meeting re that stuff
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> as another aside, my work uses google mail etc. I get all the foundation stuff in google docs coming up when I'm logged in for work
+19:42 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: alrighty
+19:42 <@quantumsummers|c> the google docs stuff can be nice actually
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I don't mind but my work might
+19:43 <@quantumsummers|c> ah true, you should switch your .forward
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I don't have a .forward, I don't think
+19:44 <@quantumsummers|c> how on earth then
+19:44 <@quantumsummers|c> weird
+19:44 <@dabbott> you can set up a gmail account just for gentoo stuff
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, back to the agenda
+19:44 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, you use a personal gmail account for work?
+19:44 <@robbat2|na> or your google accounts are associated together
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, No. The company uses gmail
+19:45 <@quantumsummers|c> I do not see how that could happen
+19:45 <@robbat2|na> weird
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, lets not pursue it now, but if anyone has any ideas ...
+19:46 <@quantumsummers|c> ok
+19:46 <@quantumsummers|c> so, I think that is all from me. Unless someone can remind me of something I have forgotten to cover ...
+19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, 501(c)(3) registration status ... I guess thats stalled meanwhile?
+19:47 <@quantumsummers|c> not stalled, just work-in-progress
+19:47 <@quantumsummers|c> still working on it
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, SSL Options Update and New Masterdistfiles Machine
+19:48 <@robbat2|na> SSL option: no change, and i'm actually really happy about that w/ more CA failures being reported.
+19:48 <@robbat2|na> as a potential improvement for now
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> should we drop this from the agenda then ?
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> CA failures == SSL breaking u around us ?
+19:49 <@robbat2|na> for now I think so. i've started on DNSSEC deployment for Gentoo, and we can send other trust metrics via that later
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> u -> up
+19:49 <@robbat2|na> yes
+19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:50 <@robbat2|na> there's some RFCs on sending ssl cert fingerprints via DNS
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> +1 to that
+19:50 <@robbat2|na> which when combined with DNSSEC, and when the browsers pick them up, will negate a lot of the CA system
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> with dnssec that could be a big improvement
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> nice
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> I just spent a ton of money on thawte certs
+19:51 <@robbat2|na> any objections to dropping it for now, w/ a review in 3/4 months?
+19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> nope
+19:51 <@quantumsummers|c> I wish we didnt have to, but better to not have a false sense of sec I suppose
+19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> nicely, if thawte goes down I sue for large sum of money
+19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> insurance is nice I guess
+19:52 <@robbat2|na> i don't think we'd have gotten their insurance clauses anyway w/ free certs
+19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, I don't think so either
+19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> you can insure against technolgy changing?
+19:53 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: you can insure anything :D
+19:53 <@robbat2|na> for the right price
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, New Masterdistfiles Machine
+19:53 <@quantumsummers|c> whether the company will survive your claim, that is another issue
+19:54 <@quantumsummers|c> New Masterdistfiles Machine == osprey replacement?
+19:54 <@robbat2|na> yes
+19:54 <@robbat2|na> i haven't seen a response on the ticket if the arrived at osuosl yet
+19:54 <@robbat2|na> but i'm not sure if it was set to to cc to infra correctly
+19:54 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, its there
+19:55 <@robbat2|na> ok, so just caddys + install left
+19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds like progress anyway
+19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> yes
+19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> although you can install with the current 2 caddies
+19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Foundation Activity Tracker Update
+19:55 <@rich0> At this point we're mostly in execution mode.
+19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> there are 2 500GB HDDs that are extra now also
+19:56 <@rich0> Quick question - did we ever file in Missouri?
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I think that went out, yes
+19:56 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, and everyone thought it was a bad idea to add projects on progress ...
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I signed the stuff awhile ago
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I'll poke the cpa
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I suspect the answer is yes
+19:56 <@rich0> I think the tracker basically meets it core purpose as an activity reminder. I'd still like to see the per-task pages beefed up, but I don't see that as being essential.
+19:57 <@rich0> Ok, if yes then I'll go ahead and create dates on those filings (for 2012).
+19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets run with it a while
+19:57 <@rich0> Did we file the 990?
+19:57 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: we filed an extension
+19:57 <@quantumsummers|c> so, we have another 6 months
+19:57 <@rich0> Does that cover the new mexico AG as well?
+19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> we file a different thing for NM
+19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> that is filed
+19:58 <@rich0> One of the NM requirements is a copy of the 990.
+19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> apparently was filed on Nov 2 by Heather, although I have no idea why they waited
+19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> not for the PRC stuff
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs
+19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: link me to that
+19:59 <@rich0> Ok, feel free to move on with the agenda and I'll send to quantumsummers
+19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to discuss any bugs in detail ?
+20:01 <@robbat2|na> i think they're all in execution or pending external input
+20:01 <@quantumsummers|c> the one 296766, can be closed
+20:01 <@quantumsummers|c> that is all done
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats what I like to hear, it makes the meeting faster
+20:02 <@dabbott> Bug 363871 can that be closed
+20:02 < willikins> dabbott: "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Busines
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, do we need to write to them to say no thanks, or leave it until we reconsider ?
+20:03 <@robbat2|na> i'll write some emails on it
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks robbat2|na
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> George Boyce | Use of Gentoo Artwork ... Alien Cow Abductors
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> That artwork in under a CCA licence and our logo is a small part of it, so I don't think we can object
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> is*
+20:07 <@dabbott> his request was "I would like permission to use this particular artwork to support a non-profit project under development and described at"
+20:07 <@rich0> So, what do we want to offer them.
+20:08 <@rich0> Should we state that we explicitly give him permission to use it as described?
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think he needs to ask ... the CCA applies. Its likewhoas wallpaper
+20:09 <@rich0> So, should we tell him that he doesn't need to ask?
+20:09 <@rich0> Seems like the current non-commercial policy is that he can use it as long as he clarifies that he has nothing to do with us.
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> He needs to follow whatever licence likewhoa released to artwork unde
+20:09 <@rich0> Well, he also has to comply with the logo guidelines regardless of the artwork license.
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> what does everyone else think ?
+20:10 <@rich0> The artwork license only covers copyright, not trademark.
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, good point
+20:10 <@dabbott> its peaches artwork i believe
+20:10 <@dabbott>
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - he needs to get the attribution right :)
+20:10 <@dabbott> licensed under CC-BY-SA/2.5
+20:11 <@rich0> From a trademark his use is fine if he is non-commercial.
+20:11 <@rich0> If he is commercial we'd need to give him an exemption, since it isn't being used to denote that something contains 'gentoo inside" or whatever.
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Its non-commercial - to expose children to robots
+20:13 <@rich0> Seems to me that he needs to 1. Check with the artist on their license and comply, and 2. follow the non-commercial guidelines on the logo page and state that the logo is a trademark of gentoo and he isn't gentoo and so on.
+20:13 <@rich0> Or, we could give him a pass on having to do #2.
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to help him ... I'll put together an email for trustees to review.
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Does everyone agree we want to support this ?
+20:13 <@rich0> And did I mention that this whole mess is something that would be wonderful to get the SFLC to help out with?
+20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, their help would be nice
+20:14 <@rich0> I definitely want to remove any burdens.
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Its educational after all and thats a part of our stated objectives
+20:14 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon he was confused over the different licenses involved
+20:14 <@rich0> Whatever form that has to take - we shouldn't be standing in their way.
+20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> tbh, I am more than a little upset at the way we were sort of "dropped" if you will
+20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> or forgotten more likely
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I told him it would bediscussed now
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> its not dropped
+20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, I see no reason that he cannot use that image without our logo in ther
+20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> I meant sflc forgot us
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok.
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> I will put together a reply on this and send it to the alias for comment
+20:16 <@rich0> Sounds good.
+20:16 <@dabbott> again thanks
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I will put a placeholder into George too
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> next item Gentoo Logo Usage Policy
+20:17 <@rich0> Ugh
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> This could be a long one and we have been running 70 min already, should we hold this over ?
+20:18 <@rich0> I think that makes sense, or maybe consider it as something to bring up in our SFLC re-engagement?
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds good but SFLC won't respond quickly
+20:18 <@rich0> My suggestion is that we come up with some kind of holistic policy that covers copyright/trademark/etc so that we don't have these confusing double-treatments.
+20:18 <@rich0> But we don't have to hash that out now.
+20:19 <@rich0> Maybe we should consider reading the stuff in the agenda as homework in the meantime.
+20:19 <@dabbott> lets brainstorm on the ml
+20:19 <@rich0> Yes - sounds good.
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I like that - maybe two logos like Debian. We have two already. The G and the unoffcial LArry
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Moving on ...
+20:19 <@rich0> Maybe, or even if it is just one have one policy that covers both copyright and trademark.
+20:19 <@rich0> Ok, onwards...
+20:19 <@robbat2|na> i'll send in a link for the ubuntu equiv link as well
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications ... None
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Part 3 Cleanup ...
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 18th Dec 2011 19:00 UTC
+20:20 <@quantumsummers|c> +1
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> That works for me
+20:20 <@dabbott> fine here
+20:21 <@robbat2|na> should work fine for me, might be slightly late
+20:21 <@rich0> +1
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> fine.
+20:21 <@robbat2|na> (that's a weekend of christmas parties here)
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> you party early robbat2|na. We start for hogmany aroudn Dec 25th
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ...
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbot ?
+20:22 <@dabbott> none
+20:22 <@robbat2|na> no AOB from me
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, you always have something
+20:22 <@quantumsummers|c> nope, just chuck testa
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, heh
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, did Heather get our good standing fixed and find out what happened ?
+20:23 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: she had not heard back on Friday when I went home, I'll contact again on Monday.
+20:23 <@quantumsummers|c> I'm sure we are fine though, just slow processing
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> As long the she is onto it
+20:23 <@rich0> Yup - if we talked to them we should be fine.
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> we made the deadline, no worries
+20:24 <@rich0> Wheels of government turn slowly.
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> just freaked me out a bit
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats all from me, I think
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks for pointing that out dabbott
+20:24 <@rich0> Yeah, I understand the feeling. Glad you spotted it.
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities
+20:24 <@rich0> Rather than a slashdot submitter. :)
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> oh, I will be having a gentoo onesie made for my boy, so if anyone wants one, I will have another made (organic cotton)
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> I will write to George Boyce and post the log
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> will have pics, etc for the front page :P
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks
+20:25 <@rich0> Oh boy...
+20:25 <@dabbott> can we switch everything to missouri and drop nm
+20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> not likely to drop NM
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Oh, you know its just the one then ?
+20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, and a boy
+20:25 <@dabbott> once missouri is good
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I do have something else.
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> The Sec ad ?
+20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, lets run it unless someone here wants the job
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want to post the ad as is or does it need more work ?
+20:26 <@quantumsummers|c> I have a python/django membership app that makes that stuff fairly simple
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I would like to appont an officer who is not a trustee
+20:26 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: seems ok, I am just concerned since the person will have signatory power
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> it would be nice to have some level of trust
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> maybe meet them face to face, etc
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> I am paranoid though
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I want to keep the bard low for enquires, we can ask for more info once we have some nibbles
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> ok
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds good
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, last time we ran that ad, we got exactly one response - you
+20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, I know. Hard to believe that
+20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> crazy, no one wants to volunteer for that stuff
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm quite keen to expand the management of the foundation beyond the trustees
+20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> as am I
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we get it on the front page ?
+20:29 <@dabbott> quantumsummers|a, what about max he even sent an resume
+20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott can do that
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> I can put an announce and discuss on the forums
+20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott: email him, great idea
+20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> Max would be a good candidate
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> put the ad up and email him a pointer
+20:30 <@quantumsummers|c> cool
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> that was all I had, so onto Open Floor
+20:31 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting