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+18:42 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the last trustee meeting before the 2011 elections
+18:42 -!- quantumsummers|a is now known as quantumsummers
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call - I'm logging
+18:42 <@quantumsummers> present
+18:42 < tsunam> I'm ere
+18:42 < tsunam> here even
+18:42 <@robbat2> present
+18:42 <@dabbott> here
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 2 Old Business
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election Status Report
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and robbat2 retire by rotation. Nominations will be help in Feb, exact dates to be determined by the elections project, voting will be in March
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Today is the recording date
+18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you want to say a few words ?
+18:45 < tsunam> sure thing I'll do that now
+18:46 < tsunam> As most are aware a few months ago I had some issues with my health. This caused me to step away from my duties for a not insignificant time period
+18:46 < tsunam> Due to this and luckily by design of how we setup everything the business was able to continue uninterupted.
+18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> good planning that
+18:47 < tsunam> However, it also made me consider things in my life including my work for the foundation. What I found is that although I love the work that I've done for the foundation and the members of the foundation I've had the pleasure to work with
+18:48 < tsunam> that I believe it is time for me to step down during the next election cycle from my position as a trustee and a treasurer, and allow someone who has more motivation and capabilities then I can bring to the positions that people have entrusted to me
+18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to tsunam for his work over the last three years
+18:49 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+18:50 <@robbat2> aye
+18:50 <@dabbott> aye
+18:50 <@quantumsummers> aye. Many Thanks Joshua, many thanks
+18:50 -!- willikins [~rbot@gentoo/bot/Willikins] has joined #gentoo-trustees
+18:50 < tsunam> thank you all :) as its about me I need to abstain ;)
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks for all the hard work tsunam. Make sure we don't owe you money before you leave.
+18:51 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: will do
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Another motion ...
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the board endorses the reelection of robbat2 and quantumsummers (if they want to stand)
+18:52 <@dabbott> seconded
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+18:52 < tsunam> aye
+18:52 <@dabbott> yes
+18:52 <@quantumsummers> yes
+18:52 <@robbat2> aye
+18:53 <@quantumsummers> I do plan to stand again, for the record, and really appreciate the endorsement of the board
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried ... I'll ensure that gets into the notices.
+18:53 <@robbat2> likewise, I intend to run again, many thanks for the endorsement
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll poke elections too
+18:54 <@dabbott> thanks to both ++
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for elections ?
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> I am prepared to make the voters list
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> that is all from me
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center)
+18:56 <@quantumsummers> ok, so just about everything going on right now is waiting on SFLC. Had a long conversation week before last, following up, doing some new stuff, etc,etc
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we shou;ld list the questions on the agenda maybe
+18:56 <@dabbott> yep
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Is the SFLC being responsive ?
+18:56 <@quantumsummers> so, the list: cla, the one I proposed was too permissive in license (bsd-ish), recommends fsf version
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> ah, NeddySeagoon, well it takes a long time to get things done with them
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> they are responsive, just I have to keep poking them for things or they appear to forget
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> or are just really busy
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> We seem to have a fair bit with them ... do we need to set priorities to get things turned around in the order we need or is it just 'lawyers at work' ?
+18:58 <@quantumsummers> there are priorities they are aware of
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> anyway, back to the list: tax status: long bit here, summed up in the following. SFLC is appointing some junior attorney to handle working with me directly on this. I think this will make things go faster.
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> further, it appears there has been a change in attitude at the IRS, they are slowing down processing of floss applications
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Care to estimage when our 503(c) application will go in ?
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> this might make our petition to them greatly extended
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> its all in sflc court now, their guy is getting with me to collect all my docs, then they have a fair bit of writing ahead of them
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't influence the IRS bit
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> not likely
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> It sounds positive, just slow
+19:01 <@quantumsummers> if its denied, we will have to appeal in federal court (sflc would handle this of course) our attorney is experiencing this with another group now
+19:01 <@quantumsummers> but yes, I am positive. its just likely going to take awhile
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - good practice
+19:02 < tsunam> heh
+19:02 < tsunam> progress is progress...and one should never expect speed when it comes to the government..unless you owe them money :)
+19:02 <@quantumsummers> now, this is mentioned below, but the libtxc_dxtn bit is also awaiting response
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that must be the same all over the world :)
+19:03 <@quantumsummers> so, also discussed the transition of tsunam away from the foundation and the record keeping, etc required
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it sounds like you are on top of things with the SFLC ... is there any more you need to share with us in public ?
+19:04 < tsunam> I've provided a list of some items previously when I brought it up, but added at least one thing to the list.
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> I am keeping a repo with a journal and any/all files dealt with in the process
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> yes, thanks tsunam for the list
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> very helpful. ducks will line up
+19:05 <@quantumsummers> is there anything else I need to report on?
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. quantumsummers who else has access? I'm aware you are a single point of failure during the transition
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> yes, this is a personal repo at the moment. I would push to git.o.g.o if others want access
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> it would have to be a private repo, of course
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, long term, you cannot be both sec and treasurer
+19:06 <@robbat2> there should be proper private repos on git.g.o sometime in the next few weeks
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: noted, thanks.
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> its too much work for one
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I know, we need a new treas
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> yep
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> I think its small enough now that I can easily manage for now
+19:07 < tsunam> we do have some people who offered to help that were financial types that quantumsummers and I were interacting with that would be perfect for the position of treasurer
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> That has to be on the agenda for April, when we have the AGM
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> yes, I have one particular candidate that has offered to do bookkeeping
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that works for me.
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> I am waiting on sflc to get me the proper docs for this person to sign regarding non-disclosure, privacy, etc
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> treasurer is an officer so it need not be a board member
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> once we have the legal in place I would like to "test drive" this candidate (and others if needed)
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is this individual interested in becoming a gentoo staffer ?
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: correct. It would be nice to have some one we know/trust as there will be signatures involved, etc
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> these individuals*
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I would think so, though I have not discussed this specifically
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> they need to do the staff quiz
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> I guess it would be a requirement
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Not specifically - but it shows a little comittment
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> any more SFLC stuff?
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> nope.
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> one unrelated bit, I have sent reimbursement checks to the GSOC mentors
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+19:12 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, err, you missed me
+19:12 <@robbat2> re UltraDNS followup
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe - sorry robbat2 UltraDNS Wrapup
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems to all be still working ...
+19:13 <@robbat2> ok, we successfully did the final BIND migration on Dec 27th
+19:13 <@robbat2> there's one more technical backend bit waiting for the private git repos, but we're operational already
+19:13 <@robbat2> in terms of paperwork
+19:13 <@robbat2> we were concerned about being billed for the last month due to when we gave notice
+19:14 <@robbat2> there wasn't any problems there at all. Our "official cancel date" for to make the Neustar paperwork easier on their end is 2011/01/31.
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds good
+19:14 <@robbat2> my contact at Neustar wishes us all the best in future
+19:15 <@robbat2> that's everything :-)
+19:16 * NeddySeagoon proposes a vote of thanks to gentoo-infra for the seamless migration of our DNS
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+19:16 < tsunam> aye
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> aye
+19:16 <@dabbott> yes hire them
+19:16 <@robbat2> abstain since it's about infra/me
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried.
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to infra@
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766
+19:17 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> If this isn't already in the post, we may as well wait until the election results are known
+19:18 < tsunam> I've not sent an update
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> some of this this went in with our annual report
+19:19 <@dabbott> we should just wait
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> I can handle this once the election is done
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> its a simple form
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok - thanks
+19:19 <@dabbott> also can we help with bug 351045
+19:19 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; NEW; robbat2@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> that is alsoi in the hands of sflc
+19:20 <@dabbott> ok good enough
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> I wrote them about this and mentioned the fedora example
+19:20 <@robbat2> should we get a draft together for them first?
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> I have a few issues with the fedora version
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> actually, sure. I started working on a draft last week :)
+19:20 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, can you list those issues in the bug?
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> yes I cah
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> can
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: it would be helpful to know what we do store for example in ldap, versus forums, etc
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> we can switch out our stuff for the fedora stuff
+19:22 <@robbat2> ok I can answer that on the bug for better tracking
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> then I think it comes down to tightening the third party data sharing language
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> ok, great
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more bugs ?
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> there are a few
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> bug 285549
+19:23 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to discuss them here
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> also with SFLC
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> oh, up to you chairman
+19:24 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps I just have way too many things on hte sflc plate at the moment, there are like 15 items
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> No point in going through bugs that have not changed
+19:24 <@quantumsummers> heh, we can move on & use bugz for this stuff
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Adding patent-unsafe package (libtxc_dxtn)
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> also with sflc now
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> err, as oif a wekk or so ago
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: is there any precedent for this in the portage tree?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers> seems truetype-ish
+19:26 <@robbat2> hmm
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> leave it with sflc
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers Andreas H?ttel and Bernard Cafarelli
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye for both
+19:27 <@dabbott> yes to both
+19:27 < tsunam> yes on both
+19:27 <@quantumsummers> aye for both
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?
+19:28 <@robbat2> aye
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Mike Gilbert
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye
+19:28 <@robbat2> aye
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> aye
+19:29 <@dabbott> yes
+19:29 < tsunam> abstain as i didn't review
+19:29 < tsunam> what he has done etc
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> herd tester
+19:29 < tsunam> ah
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> for chromium I believe
+19:29 <@dabbott> he also bug wrangles
+19:29 < tsunam> *nods*
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Advertising Requests - none
+19:29 < tsunam> good to know
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 20th Feb 2011 19:00 UTC
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> +1
+19:30 <@dabbott> good here
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +1
+19:30 <@robbat2> +1
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam ?
+19:30 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: put the log here please foundation/en/minutes/2011
+19:31 < tsunam> that's fine
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok.
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ...
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have some ...
+19:31 <@robbat2> none from me at this time
+19:32 <@dabbott> I will do the motions and quantumsummers when you get the repo set up I can help keep track of the items for sflc if you want
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, volunteered me to speak a FOSDEM on a joint Foundation/Council/Devrel platform, about the future organisation of gentoo
+19:32 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ok thank
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I' mailed trustees@ for feedback and I had two replies.
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I gave some feedback in this channel, shall I email it for the record?
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Do I have to speak as an individual, or can I speak on behalf of the Foundation
+19:33 < tsunam> I'm fine with you speaking on behalf of the foundation
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, no need, I have the log
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: on behalf of the foundation would be nice, I think we should all participate in the draft though
+19:34 <@robbat2> i trust Neddy, i'd like to read what he says, but I don't need to see a draft
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I will try to get the draft slides out before the end of next weekend
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> sounds excellent
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll try to record it - voice only. I've got a new toy to take to fosdem :)
+19:35 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: sounds interesting, I am not knowledgable enough on the subject to offer much feedback
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> nice :)
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, we can clear up the odds and ends on the alias.
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if you update the members list with the new members today, I'll check it over.
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> I can email that out asap
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I have to update the +V list here too
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> gotcha
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more 'other business' ?
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> well ...
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> j/k none from me
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:38 * NeddySeagoon will will post the log
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page?
+19:39 * dabbott motions
+19:39 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like I volunteered for the emails already
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor
+19:40 <@dabbott> np looks like 4 i will recheck the log
+19:41 * NeddySeagoon bands the gavel to close the meeting
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+18:16 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the February 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. trustees meeting
+18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call
+18:17 <@dabbott> here
+18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, dabbott quantumsummers tanderson
+18:17 * quantumsummers is present
+18:17 <@robbat2> yo
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum lets start tsunam_ ?
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 3 Old Business
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Nominations are open and we have three nominations for three seats - two nominees have accepted.
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Elections project are seeing fair play
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Monthly Update ... has anything changed ?
+18:21 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: i have submitted more things for them, but have the no change from last meeting
+18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> IS there anything we can do to help speed the process - should we look for more pro bono law support ?
+18:22 <@quantumsummers> I need to have a frank conversation with them, as the time it has taken is not cool
+18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> As long as they can give us a turn round time we cn live with and they meet it, thats fine. We would then know if we need more legal support
+18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Canwe/Do we need to do anything ?
+18:24 <@quantumsummers> let me talk to them, and see what is up
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:24 <@quantumsummers> I'll do this onMonday, then
+18:25 <@quantumsummers> we can make choices via mail
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> You have a short Monday list this week then :)
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+18:25 <@quantumsummers> its a holiday here
+18:26 <@quantumsummers> as a side note, I think they may be experiencing funding crunch
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh yeah - Presidents Day according to my Scientific American calendar
+18:26 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we should consider some donation to subsidize their costs a bit
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we make a donation to the SFLC ?
+18:26 <@quantumsummers> they are trying to get someone with more time that our main contact will oversee
+18:27 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: after monday, lets talk via mail
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. I am good with the idea of a donation
+18:27 <@quantumsummers> it would be a nice gesture
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. I am good with the idea of a donation
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> I'll email around my list of outstanding items as well
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs New FreeCAD & friends license Bug 35235
+18:29 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/35235 "Gotmail broken because hotmail site changed"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; RESO, FIXE; g2boojum@g.o:net-mail@g.o
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> err
+18:29 <@robbat2> missing a digit
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats whats in the agenda
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> bug 325435
+18:29 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/325435 "app-misc/tracker does not index the content of OpenOffice documents"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; RESO, FIXE; markus.meier74@gmail.com:freedesktop-bugs@g.o
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> opps
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks
+18:30 <@quantumsummers> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352435
+18:30 <@quantumsummers> fat fingrd
+18:30 <@robbat2> bug 352435
+18:30 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/352435 "OpenCascade, FreeCAD and the surrounding license mess / Can we have this in tree?"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; NEW; dilfridge@g.o:trustees@g.o
+18:30 <@quantumsummers> 3rd times the charm
+18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, do you have an opinion. From reading the bug, lots of people better then me have tried to unravel this and given up
+18:31 <@robbat2> in light of gentoo, I say we restrict the binpkgs and let people use it
+18:32 <@quantumsummers> do we even need to restrict mirroring?
+18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to refer to SFLC ?
+18:32 <@quantumsummers> have already
+18:32 <@robbat2> yeah, RESTRICT="bindist mirror"
+18:33 <@quantumsummers> sounds fine to me
+18:33 <@quantumsummers> what are sci herd using for LICENSE?
+18:33 <@robbat2> "mirror" because otherwise we are party to clause #2
+18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> That looks safe anyway - until SFLC report back
+18:34 <@quantumsummers> I consider it safe, we are not distributing pkgs
+18:34 <@quantumsummers> binary packages, that is
+18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed.
+18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> nore the sources
+18:35 <@robbat2> at the point of RESTRICT="bindist mirror", we're only ever shipping ebuilds, and any linkage violation is on the end users system, where plenty of it exists already (eg nvidia binary drivers)
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> -e
+18:35 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: lets go with it
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> lets go with that
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a vote ?
+18:36 <@quantumsummers> nah, we all agree
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a SFLC opinion ?
+18:36 <@quantumsummers> I hope to tender one
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:36 <@quantumsummers> but I do not believe so
+18:36 <@quantumsummers> that we need one
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we remove it from their todo list ?
+18:37 <@quantumsummers> and post to the bug, yes
+18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business ... there is none
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+18:38 <@quantumsummers> there are several old bugs
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Robert Piasek and Tom Knight
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you want to go through them ?
+18:38 <@quantumsummers> just one really
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, go ahead
+18:39 <@quantumsummers> bug 353004
+18:39 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/353004 "RAM for debugging Atom node data corruption issue"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o
+18:39 <@quantumsummers> I have it, will fedex tomorrow. Also, will post receipts for both and request reimbursement
+18:39 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: thanks
+18:40 <@quantumsummers> hi dabbott
+18:40 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, if you're keeping a budget column, please debit against infra's annual $1000 budget
+18:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, just reimburse yourself
+18:40 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I am
+18:40 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: will do that too, no rush. I only want to write 1 check (cheque)
+18:40 <@robbat2> sure
+18:41 <@robbat2> memberships for Robert Piasek & Tom Knight: I'm in favour, any objections
+18:41 <@quantumsummers> none from me
+18:41 <@dabbott> none here
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye from me
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+18:41 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: will you email?
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do the emails
+18:41 <@quantumsummers> thank ye :)
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Next item
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 20th Mar 2011 19:00 UTC
+18:42 <@quantumsummers> +1
+18:42 <@dabbott> fine here
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to plan our AGM at the next meeting
+18:43 <@quantumsummers> ok
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Moveing on until robbat2 returns
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and do the emails
+18:44 <@robbat2> checking my calender still
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think there were any motions
+18:44 <@robbat2> should work for me, but not 100% certain yet
+18:45 <@robbat2> might be another meeting via my IRSSI instance from my phone
+18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, lets leave it at 20th for now - we can move it on the list
+18:45 <@dabbott> new membership motion
+18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, of course - sorry. Will you do the motions page ?
+18:46 <@dabbott> I will :)
+18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks
+18:46 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott
+18:46 <@dabbott> np my little part :D
+18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Open floor ...
+18:46 <@dabbott> who didn't accept yet ?
+18:47 <@robbat2> me
+18:47 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: do you accept?
+18:47 <@robbat2> i've some contract work starting march 1st, and I want to see how busy that is going to make me
+18:47 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting
+18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, we would be sorry to lose you. Having an -infra person on the team has worked really well
+18:49 <@robbat2> i'd like to stay, but I need to see about time commitments
+18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I understand
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, if you decide not to stand ... you might like to nominate another -infra person
+18:50 <@robbat2> potentially yes
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we close the meeting there ?
+18:51 <@robbat2> we closed it already with your gavel
+18:51 <@robbat2> thanks all, nice quick meeting :-)
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I will onclude th post gavel chatter in the log
+18:51 <@quantumsummers> cheers.
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> include*
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks everyone
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+17:56 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the 20 March 2011 Trustee Meeting ... and notes its the last meeting before the new Trustees take their seats.
+17:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call
+17:56 <@dabbott> here
+17:57 <@quantumsummers> present
+17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ??
+17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ... your last meeting
+17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> OK ... we have a quorum, so we may as well start
+17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging
+17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> That gets un yo Agenda Item 3 Old Business
+17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election - Status Report
+17:59 <@dabbott> Voting is going on now afaik
+17:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Voting is open. I posted jmbsvicettos notice to -foundation-annouce, so all members should have seen it.
+18:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Did anyone moderate it ?
+18:00 <@quantumsummers> I think robbat2 did
+18:00 <@quantumsummers> it did go out
+18:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I got it as I sent it ... thanks quantumsummers
+18:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Monthly Update you have the floor
+18:02 <@quantumsummers> ok thanks
+18:02 <@quantumsummers> at this point we have not received sufficient support from the sflc regarding a number of items
+18:03 <@NeddySeagoon> How can we help SFLC to help us ?
+18:03 <@quantumsummers> of that I am not certain
+18:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Is it worth asking ?
+18:04 <@quantumsummers> of course.
+18:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I assume you mean that there is no movement since last month ?
+18:04 <@quantumsummers> communication has been infrequent
+18:05 <@quantumsummers> little response to my emails
+18:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we ask them for forecast dates ... so we know what to expect ?
+18:06 <@dabbott> We need a backup system, maybe some users could be of legal assistance
+18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We did discuss a donation too
+18:06 <@quantumsummers> yes, we can and I have requested that. I will email again with cc:trustees@ to that effect
+18:06 <@quantumsummers> we should vote on our proposal
+18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Thats worth a follow up ... or even a front page advert
+18:07 <@quantumsummers> to the sflc regarding a donation
+18:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have a sum in mind ?
+18:07 <@quantumsummers> not formally
+18:07 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: yes that may help our cause they may be hurting
+18:08 <@NeddySeagoon> nothing to propose for a montion now ?
+18:08 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its unlikely we can bankroll a lawyer to do the things we have outstanding
+18:09 <@quantumsummers> the fact is we need some form of longer term contract that states explicit work requests agreed on by the board in consulation
+18:09 <@NeddySeagoon> how does that help ?
+18:10 <@quantumsummers> this is to say, we need more than only an attorney
+18:10 <@NeddySeagoon> You imply that this would be funded work
+18:11 <@quantumsummers> is not a doantion to sflc the funding of work?
+18:11 <@quantumsummers> in some sense
+18:12 <@quantumsummers> if we have an idea of how much time (for attorney, book keeping, etc) we are looking at to complete the irs process
+18:12 <@quantumsummers> it would be easier to make a bid
+18:13 <@NeddySeagoon> No. The two are (legally) connected. It may make it easier for them to operate but the donation would not be explicity tied to expiditing Gentoo work. It would be a donation - no strings
+18:13 <@NeddySeagoon> The two are not (legally) connected*
+18:14 <@NeddySeagoon> They could use our donation any waay they want to
+18:15 <@quantumsummers> right, as they are pro bono for gentoo
+18:15 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: do they tell you they don't have the time / people or they just don't respond
+18:15 <@quantumsummers> dabbott, the latter
+18:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thats why I was saying would could not afford to bankroll a lawyer ...
+18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do they answer the phone ?
+18:16 <@quantumsummers> communication with them has been difficult, and I agree with NeddySeagoon that we should not need to bankroll a lawyer
+18:16 <@robbat2> crap, timezone change bit me
+18:17 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I usually get voicemail, but I do not attempt calls at high frequency
+18:17 <@quantumsummers> last phone conversation was early Jan
+18:17 <@quantumsummers> hello robbat2
+18:17 <@dabbott> hi robbat2
+18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC depends on donations, just as we do. I don't have a problem making a donation ... wed do use their services. I don't see us making a big enough donation to make a huge difference in response time.
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> welcome robbat2
+18:18 <@dabbott> I say give them a donation as a show of good faith
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm inclined to agree.
+18:19 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I am torn about this a bit. at a certain point, we just need to get this work completed
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how about your propose a montion dor a donation at the AGM in April ?
+18:20 <@quantumsummers> I accept that.
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Can we do the work without the SFLC ?
+18:20 <@quantumsummers> of course.
+18:21 <+antarus> Do we know how much the work costs; can't we just get a consultation?
+18:21 <@NeddySeagoon> You say 'of course' but I was under the impression that we were asking for legal opionions on some things and help with the 501c3 applicatiion ?
+18:21 <@quantumsummers> I will make a proposal to this effect. I will seek to continue the relationship with sflc
+18:22 <@quantumsummers> the bulk of this work should be done by a cpa
+18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes - we cannot afford to pay for legal all the time.
+18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, what about the volunteers we had ?
+18:22 <+antarus> How much do you expect to spend on 501c3?
+18:23 <@dabbott> It would be nice to find a cpa that is also a gentoo user that we can get a sliding scale / discount
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is it worth approaching your CPA for a quote for the work ?
+18:24 <@quantumsummers> antarus: total cost is conservatively $5k for this with some variation on location
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, for 5k I feel I would like to get it done and over with ... we are already overdue
+18:25 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think we need a professional service, with contracts that say you will do these things by these dates.
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we will never get that pro-bono
+18:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I fully concur
+18:26 <@quantumsummers> sflc is great, but we need more support than they can offer
+18:26 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: can we get 3 bids to do the work ?
+18:27 <@quantumsummers> its likely that we could get numerous bids, yes
+18:27 <@dabbott> is that something you could put together
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, then lets take some of the work away from them and fund a CPA to do it with an agreed deadline
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> ie. a contract
+18:27 <@robbat2> aye from me too
+18:28 <@quantumsummers> antarus: we should have some introduction to some west coast talent?
+18:28 <+antarus> quantumsummers: not following you
+18:28 <+antarus> you want me to recommend a cpa?
+18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Is west coast talent special ?
+18:28 <@quantumsummers> robbat2 anyone come to mind?
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> antarus, sure
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> antarus: do you know anyone familiar with gentoo?
+18:29 <@dabbott> antarus: yes please
+18:29 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, i'm up in Canada, no suitable suggestions
+18:29 <+antarus> the only CPA I know is in texas
+18:29 <+antarus> and I wouldn't recommend him ;p
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: who does osuosl work with?
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> :)
+18:29 <+antarus> I imagine the osuosl has university lawyers and cpas
+18:30 <+antarus> That is how this org I know at Michigan State U. worked
+18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Let me sum up so far ...
+18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> We will take some of our work away from SFLC and contract with one or more CPAs to complete these work items for an agreed fixed price and an agreed date
+18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> We could even use it as a way to audition CPAs
+18:33 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we should publish a formal request for quote
+18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to suggest that SFLC be given the opportunity to bid for the work too
+18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes - every CPA needs to get the same form of words. If we put all the work items in one document, we need to make it clear we may 'cherry pick' from responses
+18:34 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: what is the first thing you would like see completed
+18:34 <+antarus> is there a list of work documented somewhere?
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> antarus, we know what we have fed into SFLC
+18:36 <@quantumsummers> initial discovery, financial discovery, form assembly and narrative writing (we have a lot of writing already), full internal documentation and budget.
+18:37 <@quantumsummers> then, 1023 document submission
+18:37 <@quantumsummers> then we wait 2-6 months
+18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds like it can't be broken up
+18:38 <@quantumsummers> we then either: receive temp letter OR receive rejection. if rejected we can appeal in court
+18:38 <@quantumsummers> if we are granted temp status we will have to provide whatever they want within 30 day so request
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, isn't SFLC handling an appeal just now ?
+18:38 <@quantumsummers> at that point its cool breeze
+18:38 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, that is correct
+18:39 <@NeddySeagoon> that may want a lot of their resource
+18:39 <@quantumsummers> I think we will want at least an 18 month contract with the firm that wins the bid
+18:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets take the 501c3 away from SFLC
+18:41 <@dabbott> Put it out for bids so we can find someone more accountable
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> My problem with a term contract is we don't know what we want during the term ... there is a base load, which we can predict, and all the pop ups. Or will the pop ups go away soon?
+18:42 <@robbat2> for a CPA, how much pop up is there actually?
+18:42 <@robbat2> legal has pop-up work yes, but not CPA stuff from what I can see
+18:43 <@quantumsummers> hard to predict pop ups
+18:43 <@robbat2> there's the 501c3, our tax return presumably, and quarterly financial reports (which we're nearly a year behind on)
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, maybe not a lot ... but I don't understand the split as it all goes to SFLC at the moment
+18:44 <+antarus> is there a difference in pop-up work for a 501c3 vs what we have now?
+18:44 <+antarus> I assume we have some idea of our previous pop-up load
+18:44 <@robbat2> i can't think of any CPA-specific pop-up load previously
+18:44 <@quantumsummers> yes, it was mostly licensing or legal policy documents that popped up
+18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets let it ride until we have a new Treasurer in place ... I'm aware that quantumsummers is holding two offices and its too much. Hopefully we can appoint a new Treasuer in April
+18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> otherwise quantumsummers will be the point of contact and it will be harder to get the new guy to take over the work
+18:46 <@dabbott> I agree quantumsummers needs to be able to devote his time to this issue and not be spread out
+18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ?
+18:48 <@quantumsummers> I appreciate this, and will put together the necessary bits to get this settled finally.
+18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you need a Treasuer exit plan too. Thats easier when you are not in the middle of something
+18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Summary ...
+18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Donation to SFLC
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Funding a CPA to complete our 501c3 application and routine CPA work for some period afterward
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that where we have got to ?
+18:50 <@quantumsummers> yes
+18:51 <@quantumsummers> where funding this endeavor requires a rfq to be written
+18:52 <@quantumsummers> proposal to be presented at the april meeting
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I appreciate you can take this forward yourself but you might find you become Treasurer and we get a new Secretary because its easier to get out of that role. Think about how involved you get short term
+18:53 <@quantumsummers> we need a committee for this
+18:53 <@quantumsummers> or better, a team
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed - there is no harm in doing the proposal ... just don't get bolted into the role unless you want to keep it
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> until the 501c3 is done and dusted anyway
+18:54 <@robbat2> i thought that was what the financials/treasurer request for help was supposed to be previously, has any success come from that?
+18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, we have 5 responses but we have been slow following up
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more on SFLC ?
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> not at this time
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, We should stop SFLC working on our 501c3 application ... it will be wasted work ... of course, we can pay them to complete it
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> I do not think they are working on it presently to be plain
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Unless there are any Urgent bugs can we skip Agenda Item 4 Bugs. We are an hour in already
+18:59 <@dabbott> fine by me
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I agree - but its only polite to stop them wasting resource
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> ok. I will send them a note.
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business
+19:00 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Zyxware Technologies Request to be added as an official CD/DVD vendor
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Those in favour please say Aye
+19:00 * NeddySeagoon Aye
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> its an 'at cost' service
+19:01 <@dabbott> OK
+19:01 <@quantumsummers> looks fine to me, yes
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm not sure they will get many takers for CDs but the liveDVD may do well.
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats 3 in favour - carried
+19:03 <@dabbott> I will update vendor page
+19:03 <@quantumsummers> dabbott thanks
+19:03 <@dabbott> I can send them an email also same time
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Link exchange (www.webhostingsearch.com) ... we voted on the list to refuse this
+19:03 <@robbat2> aye
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> This is just the public record ove the vote
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> right
+19:04 <@dabbott> Link exchange no
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Documentation licensing violation - I've been slacking. I need to follow this up with an email, as I offerd
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers . Kevin McCarthy ... All in favour
+19:05 <@dabbott> yes Kevin McCarthy signals
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> yes
+19:06 * NeddySeagoon Aye
+19:06 <@robbat2> aye
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Fernando V Orocu (likewhoa)
+19:06 <@robbat2> aye
+19:06 * NeddySeagoon Aye
+19:06 <@dabbott> yes
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> no .. I mean hell yeah! :D
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> likewhoa has done a trmendous job
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> kudos to he and his team
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa++
+19:07 <@dabbott> my hero
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Apr 2011 19:00 UTC
+19:07 <@dabbott> OK here
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats our AGM. We need officers reports. President, Treasuer and Secretary
+19:08 <@robbat2> aye from me
+19:08 <@robbat2> (on meeting date)
+19:08 <@dabbott> anything I can help with quantumsummers ^^^
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do the next 12 months Meeting calaner too
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> dabbott Yes! :)
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> 4/17 is fine by me
+19:08 <@dabbott> delegate :)
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> tax day is 4/15, I may be drunk ;)
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ...
+19:09 <@robbat2> i've got one bit that's best handled by email, just routine to get nightmorph a refund for the DVD spindle he bought for SCALE9x that we used to burn LiveDVDs
+19:09 <@robbat2> i'll file it as a bug w/ the recipeit
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: cool
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, fine
+19:10 <@dabbott> ok
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> hey robbat2, do you think we could discuss running a small django app on infra?
+19:10 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, yup, post-meeting
+19:11 <@robbat2> no other AOB from me
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I want to mention calculate linux. I had a /query with one of their devs and pointed out the issues with nvidia-drivers and flash. We may get an email from them
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> They are a Russian Gentoo Offshoot
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ...
+19:12 <@dabbott> I will update the motions page and prepare next months agenda
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log, write the welcome emails and write to the site hosting our Gentoo IPv6 Router Guide
+19:13 <@dabbott> only one item on the agenda correct?
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, election of a Treasurer ... Meetings calendar
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> agm?
+19:14 <@dabbott> plus our AGM. We need officers reports. President, Treasuer and Secretary
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Everyone ok with 3rd Sunday at 19:00 UTC still ?
+19:14 <@robbat2> yup
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: sure
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Annual General Meeting - its the only meeting we are legally required to hold
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ...
+19:16 <@robbat2> two notifications re infra for open floor, i want on the log due to budget implications
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, contine ...
+19:17 <@robbat2> 1. the test RAM replacement in the Atom went great, the stability massively improved. we're seeing how many of the other atom servers now need the HCL-listed RAM for better stability
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> that is easily within th einfra budget
+19:17 <@robbat2> 2. in 3-6 months, infra intends to resume discussions on new large hardware for OSL. we discussed this last year, but it petered out
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, why the wait ?
+19:18 <@robbat2> cleaning up power usage and rack space prior to then
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: what wattage will be available
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> ?
+19:18 <@robbat2> somewhere between 1.5 and 5A
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> good current
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> :)
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, this ties in with the email to arch leads about their wish lists ?
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, @ 110v or 220?
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> 110
+19:19 <@robbat2> this would be replacements for dev.g.o (woodpecker) and masterdistfiles.g.o (osprey)
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> :(
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: have you looked at the supermicro quadnode 2U?
+19:20 <@robbat2> i'm trying to pursue some hardware sponsors/discounts before we go further anyway
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds good
+19:21 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, these need to be singular beefy boxes mainly
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> oh, many disks
+19:22 <@robbat2> that's all
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for open floor ?
+19:22 * NeddySeagoon bangs the closing gavel
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+18:36 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to call the 2011 AGM to order
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> roll call
+18:37 <@dabbott> present
+18:37 <@robbat2|na> present
+18:37 <@quantumsummers> here
+18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, said he may not be able to attend, so lets start
+18:37 <@quantumsummers> ok
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> The presidents report is at http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/PresidentsReport2011_2.xml I'll allow a minute or so for reading
+18:41 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve NeddySeagoon's Presidents Report. Nice job Roy, well done.
+18:41 <@robbat2|na> Seconded
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> vote
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+18:41 <@robbat2|na> Aye
+18:41 <@dabbott> Yes
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ?
+18:42 <@quantumsummers> aye
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried.
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Are you ready with the Secretaries report ?
+18:42 <@quantumsummers> I have emailed my Secretary's report. Have not had a chance to xml it yet.
+18:43 * NeddySeagoon checks mail
+18:43 <@quantumsummers> further, I am on a machine where I have no keys. So, if someone wants to place it in your webspace, it would be appreciated
+18:43 <@quantumsummers> I think it may need to be text-wrapped
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you pastebin it please for the wider readership
+18:44 <@quantumsummers> sure
+18:45 <@quantumsummers> http://dpaste.com/532989/
+18:46 <@quantumsummers> format is not too nice
+18:46 <@quantumsummers> let me see if I can clean it up a bit
+18:46 <@robbat2|na> s/None with NW/None with NM/
+18:46 <@quantumsummers> yes, thanks robbat2|na
+18:47 <@dabbott> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/373453/
+18:47 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott that is much better
+18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, It looks pretty comprehensive. I move to adopt the content of the Secretaries report
+18:48 <@robbat2|na> "Consider filing for operations in the state of Missouri." I have a question
+18:48 <@robbat2|na> what happens to any mail that would presently go to our address of record?
+18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> it will be forwarded - probably to Josh whichis something we need to fix
+18:49 <@robbat2|na> ok
+18:49 <@quantumsummers> the goal is to get the mail, period. So, we will need to adjust the NM address.
+18:49 <@robbat2|na> yes
+18:49 <@robbat2|na> along with filing the update paperwork for NM
+18:50 <@quantumsummers> exactly
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> yes - we can do that now the election is over
+18:50 <@robbat2|na> no other questions. i second to adopt the content.
+18:50 <@quantumsummers> the MO registration is for convenience, and does not effect our NM sitation
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Apparenty, NM wanted routine filings first and updates separately later
+18:51 <@quantumsummers> further, I volunteer my POBox for gentoo usage
+18:51 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that is correct, Josh and I talked about it (and since each one is $10 we thought we should wait until things settled)
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote to accept the content of the Secretaries report please
+18:52 <@dabbott> yes
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+18:52 <@robbat2|na> aye
+18:52 <@quantumsummers> yes
+18:52 <@quantumsummers> one note
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried. It needs to be XMLified for the commit
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, swap hats ... The treasuers report please
+18:53 <@quantumsummers> I have another meeting on the 18th with my CPA who has talked informally with the IRS regarding the situation (annonymously)
+18:53 <@dabbott> I can do that and sent it to quantumsummers
+18:53 <@quantumsummers> thank you dabbott, if you don't mind I appreciate it
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you want to hold it over to the next meeting ?
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> I note in the Sec report that the Treasurers report is pending
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Next meeting then
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> I can work on it next week, I need the latest statement
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> from cap1, that is
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> final note from me:
+18:55 <@quantumsummers> in conversations, the CPAs that I have spoken with are fully confident that we will have no real issue obtaining proper status, and they estimate 8 months from filing date for finalization
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks. We just have to find the IRS fees and CPA fees then :)
+18:56 <@quantumsummers> Once I have the meeting on the 18th, I will prepare the submission to the board. Should take a week.
+18:56 <@quantumsummers> I have bids from 2 firms, still waiting on 2 more
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sounds like things are moving at last ... well done
+18:57 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers :)
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> nice thing, once we get settled, it will take <30 days to get the app submitted
+18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Trustee Election Results
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> further, that will be easy to parallelize with the 990s
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> please continue
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2 and quantumsummers were reelected for a further 2 year term
+18:58 * quantumsummers thanks the electorate.
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0 filled the seat vacated by tsunam
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to tsunam for the work he put in over the last 3 years
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+18:59 <@robbat2|na> aye
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> aye
+18:59 <@dabbott> yes yes
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> And welcome rich0 to te team
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> That covers item 4 too
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> Welcome Mr. Freeman, glad to have you.
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 Trustee Meeting Calendar
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> The proposal is to carry on with the routine we have settled into. I may have an issue with June 17 as my wife wants us to be away around then
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> June 19*
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to make any changes right now ?
+19:03 <@robbat2|na> my calender for the rest of 2011 fits with the proposed dates
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, thats as good as it gets
+19:03 <@dabbott> dates are fine by me
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ?
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> looking
+19:05 <@quantumsummers> those dates look fine
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose we adopt the meetings calander then
+19:05 <@dabbott> seconded
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Independence Day and Thanksgiving are avoided
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please
+19:06 <@robbat2|na> aye
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+19:06 <@dabbott> yes
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> aye
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> One thing:
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> I do think we should move the AGM to follow the end of our fiscal year next year
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> I think it would simplify certain reporting requirements
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> i.e. the treasurers report would be the annual tax statements + other related info
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> we can discuss this at another time, its not a big deal.
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I was wondering about that. The April date comes from holding the meeting in 2008 as soon as the elections were in, as several years had been missed
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Its been annual ever since
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> it would be nice to simplify reporting to include the mandated annual reports and publish those in the AGM
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> I see. Just a suggestion. :)
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Agreed. That would make either July or Aug the AGM then ?
+19:09 <@dabbott> What month May ?
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> Fiscal year end is June
+19:09 <@dabbott> ok so July
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> Our filing deadline is Nov 15th
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> anytime in there should be fine
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> Might be easier on the future Treasurer to do Aug.
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> We are allowed 13 months between AGMs by law, so we can slip it a month per year
+19:11 <@robbat2|na> but nothing says you can't have more than one in a calendar year
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, true
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> that can easily account for time required to summarize the financials if we choose the Aug date.
+19:11 <@dabbott> :)
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, We will need an interim meeting then.
+19:12 <@robbat2|na> August is a little busy for me w/ 3 conferences (that don't conflict with the proposed meeting date), but no other objections
+19:12 <@quantumsummers> hmm, well Sept, Oct or Nov work too
+19:12 <@robbat2|na> keep it proposed as August
+19:12 <@dabbott> Motion: Add second AGM Sept 18
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 AoB
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I have an iyem ot two
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> item*
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> ok. i second dabbott's motion
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> to add the interim AGM in Sept
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> err, AUG
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> This year only - yes ?
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> yes.
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+19:13 <@robbat2|na> aye
+19:13 <@dabbott> yes
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> aye for August
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 AoB
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> then 2012 meeting will be in Aug.
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> sorry :D
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: sir, please continue
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> DVDs for Linux-Tag Can we vote on this please as time is short
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Proposal to suppoy 100 DVDs
+19:15 <@quantumsummers> Motion: fund ^
+19:15 <@dabbott> Motion: Fund DVDs for Linux-Tag
+19:15 <@robbat2|na> is 100 going to be enough?
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, The estimate was 50-100
+19:16 <@dabbott> a3li: ^
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> if we went with usb drives we could purchase a larger number of them ... though they are several orders of magnitude more money
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to do the experiment to see what the waste (if any) is like
+19:16 <@robbat2|na> We did 50 at SCALE, and LinuxTag is larger than SCALE
+19:16 <@robbat2|na> by a lot
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> I would be happy with 200
+19:16 <@dabbott> yes 200 is fine
+19:16 <+a3li> if you are willing to provide 200, I'm of course happy about that
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> or more really, but likely not more than 500
+19:17 <@robbat2|na> what other events do we have this year for potential wastage to get used up?
+19:17 <+a3li> 100 is what we handed out at least last year
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> linuxcon is this year.
+19:17 <+a3li> froscon, CCC camp, 28c3
+19:17 <@robbat2|na> (in EU, to avoid shipping)
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> OK - quantity 200
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> in Vancouver :)
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> ok... 200 second that motion
+19:17 <+a3li> we can arrange for storage with the other EU promo material
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> If the Foundation going to place the order or refund a3li ?
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> a3li: you are happy with 200? I know a few devs that could take some to local events in EU
+19:18 <+a3li> quantumsummers: I am
+19:18 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: I do not have that kind of petty cash
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> good question. It should be easy enough for me to pay
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> we need a stinkin card'
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to purchase 200 DVDs for use in europe
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please
+19:19 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: http://www.linuxpusher.com/distribution/100xgentoo-linuxtag-2011-dvd
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> aye
+19:19 <@robbat2|na> aye
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+19:19 <@dabbott> yes
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion Carried
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> dabbott which arch should I choose, 100 of each?
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you place the order soonest please
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> the 32bit is the hybrid right?
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I can do it on Monday, no problem
+19:20 <+a3li> dabbott: 10.2 doesn't sound right
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Its 11.1
+19:20 <@robbat2|na> confirm w/ linuxpusher to be sure, but I think it's the hybrid
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> a3li: where do I ship them? (email me)
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> kk, I will confirm
+19:20 <+a3li> quantumsummers: check your inbox
+19:20 <+a3li> quantumsummers: (already sent)
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> thanks
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> so we are looking at ~$550
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> not bad really
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, Does linuxpusher have artwork ?
+19:21 <@robbat2|na> re LinuxCon North America, i don't know if they have community booths, but I can make inquiries via my connections if we want, but I can't man a booth on my own
+19:21 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: he has a 11 cd label for the actual CD
+19:21 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: double check with klavs he responds fast
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> a3lifine
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li fine
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> ok
+19:22 <+a3li> I understand that he does some outer casing as well?
+19:22 <+a3li> for that there is no artwork yet
+19:22 <+a3li> or is it just plain white paper sleeves?
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, to keep the shipping weight down its DVDs and sleeves
+19:23 <+likewhoa> guys we have an 11.1 with gnome3,2.6.38 and latest kde-4.6.2 why not burn those and hand them out or is that still a no go since gnome3 from overlay?
+19:24 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: so paper or plastic? and printed or not?
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, How well tested is it ?
+19:24 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: I would love to attend. I am considering submitting a paper anyway
+19:24 <@dabbott> from klavs
+19:24 <@dabbott> I'll package the 100 DVD's on a spindle - and put the 100 CD-pockets
+19:24 <@dabbott> in the package if that's ok?
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, Not sure
+19:24 <+likewhoa> NeddySeagoon: looks solid to me but i am going to refine it tonight
+19:25 <+a3li> dabbott: I guess I'll ask for clarification then
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, it would raise false expectaions, so I'm not keen to put gnome3 out yet
+19:25 <+likewhoa> only problem i found which i am going to file a bug about is the 'power management' section in kde is empty but since suspend/hibernate was turned off it shouldn't matter
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, ~arch is ok - we should show Gentoo off as best we can
+19:26 <+likewhoa> NeddySeagoon: understood, when are you planning to purchase the dvds?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers> Monday I believe
+19:26 <@dabbott> Monday so they get them in time :)
+19:26 <+likewhoa> ok that doesn't give me enough time to update 11.0 then
+19:27 <@robbat2|na> i think go with 11.0 then
+19:27 <@quantumsummers> fine by me
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> likewhoa, we don't want to squeeze production and pat for express frieght
+19:27 <@dabbott> 11.0 is solid likewhoa ++
+19:27 <+likewhoa> robbat2|na: btw how are the stat downloads on mirrors?
+19:27 <@robbat2|na> likewhoa, i can get you stats for bouncer only
+19:28 <+likewhoa> i just been watching torrents robbat2|na
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> The otherthing I had was the request for funding for MIPS boxes. Please read the email traffic
+19:28 <+a3li> while asking for details, should I inform klavs about the increased qty or will you do that?
+19:29 <@dabbott> a3li: go ahead and tell him what you want
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> a3li: I have not received your email
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> A single point of contact would be good
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't want klavs hearing different things from different people
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it was sent days ago
+19:30 <@dabbott> livedvd-x86-amd64-32ul-11.0.iso < I think this is the one you want
+19:30 <+a3li> quantumsummers: the address is in my first email
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> oh, heh
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> :D
+19:30 <+likewhoa> yea the hybrid one will be good for everyone
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> cool
+19:31 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: anymore AoB?
+19:32 <@dabbott> sorry NeddySeagoon the mips box
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Will you be our single point of contact with klavs please, since you will be placing the order
+19:32 <@quantumsummers> I can do that, NeddySeagoon
+19:32 <+a3li> NeddySeagoon: do you imply that I shall not send email?
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, just to remind everyone to read emails on the request for MIPS boxes
+19:32 <@robbat2|na> the MIPS box bit should be a public bug (as text), but i have no objections, since the SWARM boards are good and mattst88 has them already
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> a3li: go ahead and email with the quantity
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> I will followup
+19:33 <+a3li> kk
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> make sure to CC trustees
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, not directly to klavs please. quantumsummers can collect the info and passit all on with the order
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> ah, very well
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> a3li, it avoids scewups
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> no prob
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> as long as I don't screw it up :D
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, heh
+19:34 <+a3li> so, please ask what is printed. only media labels? or also case/sleeve/whatever labels?
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> a3li: sure
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> sounds like its just the dvds
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have any AoB ?
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> nope
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> for once :)
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, any AoB ?
+19:36 <@dabbott> no
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, your turn
+19:36 <@robbat2|na> no AoB from me, the StartSSL stuff is on the bug & mail alias
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, yep, I saw it on the alias
+19:36 <@quantumsummers> that is a nice deal
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Open floor
+19:36 <@quantumsummers> and for the record
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> the ads system can accommodate varying values
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> in a randomly equitable manner
+19:37 * quantumsummers done
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> Any open floor?
+19:37 * quantumsummers is a tad surprised
+19:38 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the AGM
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+18:17 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the meeting
+18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call
+18:17 * NeddySeagoon is here
+18:17 <@dabbott> here
+18:17 * quantumsummers_ is present
+18:18 <@rich0> here with five bars :)
+18:18 * quantumsummers_ pokes robbat2
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, we have quorum, lets go. robbat2 will catch up
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers its all yours. Item 3 old business
+18:20 <@quantumsummers_> ok
+18:21 <@quantumsummers_> I had mentioned previously the general cost of CPA assistance as well as the filing fee
+18:21 <@robbat2> sorry few mins delay, real life, still afk
+18:21 <@quantumsummers_> np, robbat2
+18:22 <@quantumsummers_> I have made it fairly far into the finances, still working on this years stuff, but its not technically finished (the fiscal year)
+18:22 <@quantumsummers_> sent the paypal thing to you guys for some reference
+18:22 <@quantumsummers_> sooo, I have a few things to propose
+18:23 <@quantumsummers_> 1. Based on the general costs of CPA assistance coming all within the same range, I propose we engage KPM for our CPA <- Motion. Can I get a second?
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded
+18:24 <@quantumsummers_> Please call the vote Mr. NeddySeagoon
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is that the CPA you normaly work with ?
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote for KPM for our CPA
+18:24 <@quantumsummers_> for reference I use this CPA for both my personal and all business activities ( 3 business)
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+18:24 <@quantumsummers_> aye
+18:24 <@rich0> aye
+18:25 <@dabbott> yes
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, what contract term ?
+18:25 <@quantumsummers_> its a project rate essentially
+18:25 <@quantumsummers_> which works in our favor I belive
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> ok. Not a fixed time period
+18:26 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, this is them correct http://www.kpmcpa.com/
+18:26 <@quantumsummers_> pay per filing, not a fixed time
+18:26 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott yes
+18:26 <@quantumsummers_> I have been working with them for 5 year now
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do they want a link on the foundation page ?
+18:26 <@quantumsummers_> their rates were comparable or lower than others
+18:26 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: they did not request anything like that
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we offer ? In the spirit of openness we should post who we employ
+18:27 <@robbat2> back
+18:27 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I can see if they are interested, sure.
+18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Please continue
+18:28 <@quantumsummers_> in any event, I doubt they will mind if we post we are contracting with them
+18:28 <@robbat2> aye for KPM as CPA from me
+18:29 <@quantumsummers_> 2. I propose we file as a corporation in the state of Missouri. Reasons as follows; I can more easily manage finances with a local bank account. It will let us use my office and PO Box (free of charge) as legal "headquarters", and since there is no one in NM we could at some point wind that down. <- Motion.
+18:30 <@quantumsummers_> this should make things somewhat easier, and we can get mail
+18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is this as well as or instead of NM
+18:30 <@rich0> clarify - we will incorporate in both?
+18:30 <@quantumsummers_> the NM entity will remain in existence until it is obsolete
+18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you propose to continue as treasurer ?
+18:31 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: we are incorporated in NM, the motion is to file for incorporation in MO additionally
+18:31 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I think that is a good idea at this point
+18:31 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps I should transition from Secretary
+18:31 <@robbat2> what tax implications does it have?
+18:31 <@rich0> fine as long as it doesnt add a great paperwork burden
+18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm worred about both the workload and the 'bus factor' ...
+18:31 <@quantumsummers_> simple filing for MO
+18:32 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: ^ both to incorporate and file taxes
+18:32 <@rich0> nm doent seem bad - most of the issue is federal
+18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, does this mean we have to do annual filings in both states ?
+18:32 <@quantumsummers_> that is correct, however it will make it easier to have an official location where a trustee lives
+18:33 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes, but its a single page deal, very simple
+18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok.
+18:33 <@rich0> seems to me that if we get the irs under control the states just follow, but nokt familiar with mi
+18:33 <@quantumsummers_> main reason is banking, impo
+18:33 <@quantumsummers_> Missouri is a favorable state to non-profit corporations
+18:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded than we incorporate in Mo as well as NM
+18:34 <@rich0> ok, aye from me
+18:34 <@quantumsummers_> its like filing to do official business in the state
+18:34 <@robbat2> aye from me
+18:34 <@quantumsummers_> which has beneficial side effect of making banking much easier.
+18:34 <@dabbott> aye from me also
+18:34 <@quantumsummers_> aye
+18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I would really like to see you divest yourself of one of yur officer roles to make the Foundation more robust
+18:34 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+18:34 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I would like that too
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion carried
+18:35 <@quantumsummers_> thanks
+18:35 <@quantumsummers_> #3
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, lets repost the ad you responded to
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> see if we can't get an 'outdider'
+18:35 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ok.
+18:35 <@NeddySeagoon> outsider
+18:36 <@quantumsummers_> I think the secretary role should go to someone in the US, since its a signatory role
+18:36 <@quantumsummers_> rather important
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, agreed
+18:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you have some more
+18:36 <@quantumsummers_> though we should solicit for an assistant secretary
+18:37 <@quantumsummers_> maybe dabbott or rich0 want the Secretary job?
+18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> sure. If we get two applicants we can appoint them both
+18:37 <@quantumsummers_> I will still support my membership webapp, although I hope to deprecate it with the GSoC work this summer
+18:37 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: sounds good
+18:37 <@rich0> do noot mind, but let me review. not a bad idea to post it.
+18:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to get a Gentoo outsider if we can - split the officer / trustee relaionship
+18:38 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we just need to be careful, that is all.
+18:38 <@quantumsummers_> ok great, so #3
+18:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, understood
+18:39 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: agree outsider would be good
+18:39 <@quantumsummers_> In the case that in working through with the CPA, there may be some potential we need to engage an attorney that specializes in taxes. I do not have one in mind at this time (although I work with a few locally that have that specialty in house).
+18:40 <@quantumsummers_> a few firms I mean
+18:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that likely ?
+18:40 <@quantumsummers_> so, there is potential that would reduce our back taxes burden, in the case that the IRS "sticks it to us" so to speak
+18:41 <@NeddySeagoon> How does "attorney" translate into English ... solicitor or barrister ?
+18:41 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I do not know for certain. I think its possible, but we will not know until we start filing things
+18:42 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: hmm, well that is a good question. An attorney is here is licensed and a member of the Bar association.
+18:42 <@quantumsummers_> which is to say that they are able to legally practice
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> A solicitor employs a barrister (at geat cost) for special things.
+18:43 <@quantumsummers_> barrister goes to court, right?
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> both go to court
+18:43 <@quantumsummers_> we do not have that distinction in the US
+18:43 <@quantumsummers_> that I am aware of anyway
+18:43 <@rich0> yup, we just have expensive and cheap lawyers, relatively
+18:43 <@quantumsummers_> I do not believe the cost would be great.
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - I think I get the picture, In for a penny, in for a pound. It sounds like it is a spend to save thing.
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to do what we need to do to get our 501c3
+18:44 <@quantumsummers_> main thing is we may need an advocate in the case that we need to make a case
+18:44 <@quantumsummers_> this relates to back taxes only
+18:45 <@rich0> probably best to only engage if cpa recommends
+18:45 <@quantumsummers_> not the 501c3
+18:45 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: exactly
+18:45 <@quantumsummers_> I just wanted everyone to be aware of the possibility
+18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Have we made enough to be liable for tax - even if we were a for profit ?
+18:45 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes.
+18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, I'm with rich0 ...
+18:46 <@quantumsummers_> the trouble is that the old trustees/officers did not file taxes that we are aware of
+18:46 <@quantumsummers_> so, there is a penalty for late filing
+18:46 <@robbat2> i have no objections to any findings re needing an attorney for back taxes, per any CPA recommendations
+18:46 <@NeddySeagoon> The IRS would know but I would hate to ask
+18:46 <@quantumsummers_> I will appraise the board of any necessities regarding legal assistance in this case well ahead of time
+18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need a motion ? Since we are emplying a CPA, we would be daft not to follow their advice
+18:47 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: you can call the IRS and ask them things, just make sure you remain anonymous
+18:47 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: not at this time
+18:47 <@quantumsummers_> no motion required yet
+18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:47 <@rich0> might even ask cpa for recommended lawyerr. i am for.
+18:48 <@NeddySeagoon> any more quantumsummers ?
+18:48 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: yes, they have a few in house too
+18:48 <@quantumsummers_> so, here is the whole enchilada re: back taxes
+18:48 <@quantumsummers_> the IRS has a penalty (per day) for late filings with a max of $10,000 per year.
+18:48 <@quantumsummers_> I think its $25 per say
+18:48 <@quantumsummers_> *day
+18:48 <@quantumsummers_> HOWEVER
+18:49 <@quantumsummers_> I have been advised that we can make the case that we should not have to pay all that
+18:49 <@quantumsummers_> since its a relatively new board, and we are trying to get things straightened out, AND the IRS has not come looking for us as of now.
+18:49 <@quantumsummers_> the last bit is key'
+18:50 <@quantumsummers_> which is why I was upset by what wltjr was threatening (as it would mean my ass)
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> understood
+18:50 <@quantumsummers_> sooo, the real emphasis is that we need to get the ducks in a row as quickly as possible
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, what help do you need ?
+18:51 <@quantumsummers_> based on what was decided today, I can get this rolling on Monday, first thing
+18:51 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I have everything the CPA has requested. (I have been working with them on this for awhile now, they were not charging us as it was preliminary)
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Can you email the alias with a timescale, when you have one
+18:51 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes sir
+18:51 <@rich0> sounds good to me. fyi will be akf for 10 mins
+18:52 <@quantumsummers_> I am thinking for the back filings 3-5 weeks
+18:52 <@quantumsummers_> for the 501c3, 4-6 weels
+18:52 <@quantumsummers_> in parallel
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds pretty good
+18:52 <@dabbott> sooner the better
+18:52 <@quantumsummers_> no joke
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> any more ?
+18:53 <@quantumsummers_> Total estimated cost for all the above is conservatively $8000
+18:53 <@quantumsummers_> that includes all filing fees with the states, 501c3 filing fee, CPA fee. It does not include any penalty we may have with the IRS
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats a one time thing ... what about maintainence going forward ?
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> You can't estimate the IRS penalty
+18:54 <@quantumsummers_> maintenance going forward will be minimal, once I have everything setup. The general filing cost per year for federal and state taxes is ~$1000
+18:54 <@quantumsummers_> to have the CPA do it
+18:54 <@quantumsummers_> maybe a little less if I can get things automated enough
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Go ahead - you have the motion of support
+18:54 <@quantumsummers_> working on that for the companies anyway
+18:54 <@quantumsummers_> the automation I mean
+18:55 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ok.
+18:55 <@quantumsummers_> I have one last thing
+18:56 <@quantumsummers_> I would like to have the by laws gone through by an attorney in collaboration with the CPA
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ?
+18:56 <@quantumsummers_> not yet
+18:56 <@quantumsummers_> I will have the CPA tell me what we need, if anything
+18:56 <@quantumsummers_> she will know if we need to have some additional language in there
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Seems line a good idea.
+18:56 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, noted
+18:57 <@quantumsummers_> if we need additional language I would prefer to have an attorney do it
+18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> sure
+18:57 <@quantumsummers_> ok, let see... I think that it all
+18:57 <@quantumsummers_> any questions
+18:57 <@quantumsummers_> ?
+18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers you have had a busy month
+18:58 <@dabbott> what about contacting one of the accountant volunteers for dual role as asst secretary, one even sent us his resume :)
+18:58 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott that is an excellent idea
+18:58 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: its my pleasure
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> When do you intend to present the treasurers report ?
+18:59 <@quantumsummers_> well, it would be nice to have it done by the CPA when we end our fiscal year, but I can prepare a preliminary report within a week I think
+18:59 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, if there is anything we can help with be sure and ask
+18:59 <@quantumsummers_> I have the data for this year up to 2 week ago
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, we need something to close the AGM off. We agreed we would have a EGM in August to shift the reporting year
+19:00 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott yes thanks, I am bad at that, but will try to make reasonable requests
+19:00 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: ok, I will make a report this week then. I will include last fiscal year too, since the CPA will be working on that starting asap
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> the bylaws only let us slip a month per year
+19:01 <@quantumsummers_> yes. Sorry for the delay in producing the report
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks. Anything else ?
+19:01 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: nothing more from me.
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> next item 4 bugs
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> We need up update our NM filing to remove fmmcor
+19:03 <@quantumsummers_> I will do that this week.
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats his business address
+19:03 <@quantumsummers_> its $10
+19:03 <@dabbott> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296766
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks - now the election results are in
+19:03 <@quantumsummers_> we will now use my office as the main physical address, and my PO box as main mailing address
+19:04 <@quantumsummers_> I think I can provide a fax number as well, via efax
+19:04 <@quantumsummers_> unless anyone has a better service in mind
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Don't we need an in stage NM address too - hence the need for Waye Chew
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> state*
+19:04 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes, that is our registered agent
+19:04 <@quantumsummers_> his address remains
+19:04 <@quantumsummers_> but no mail should go there
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah .. ok. I understand the differene
+19:05 <@quantumsummers_> we need an agent in the state at all times to do business there
+19:05 <@quantumsummers_> hence why filing in Missouri will be convenient
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, be careful with the fax number. You may get forums coppa forms there.
+19:06 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, well that is ok since its all digital
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> 5. New business
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Proposal to build a set of MIPS development computers.
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that we fund this in stages as per the detail I posted to the alias
+19:07 <@quantumsummers_> seconded
+19:07 <@quantumsummers_> the proposal is well done
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+19:07 <@dabbott> As per mail alias yes
+19:07 <@quantumsummers_> aye
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, robbat2 ?
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> carried anyway
+19:08 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, nice work with setting that up :)
+19:08 <@rich0> aye
+19:08 <@robbat2> aye
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> DiscoLibre Venezuela to be listed on the web as vendors. have one question.
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Do they work as per GPL at cost or is it a money making venture ?
+19:10 <@dabbott> money making afaik
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, they they need to offer us a %
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I can't read the site.
+19:11 <@dabbott> I will email them and find out what they want, official or non official
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> held over until next month
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Larry The Cow - Apply for a Trademark ?
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we, its been around for a long time
+19:12 <@quantumsummers_> that will cost approx $2500
+19:13 <@dabbott> What is the procedure
+19:13 <@rich0> not sure it is essential. has anybody looked at Debian's logo policy. I like it - they have separate logos for official vs community use and terms for each
+19:13 <@quantumsummers_> get an attorney to file the paperwork
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we apply for a trademark then. Its not like the G logo
+19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I do not feel the necessity
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I'll put that on my reading list
+19:14 <@rich0> I tend to agree - the copyright and derived nature of the mark makes it weak anyway.
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I don't either
+19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I can talk to my main attorney about it, informally
+19:15 <@rich0> reason I mentioned debian is that their general logo can be used for anybody under certain circumstances - kind of like mozilla's
+19:15 <@quantumsummers_> I am going thru it now with some work stiff
+19:15 <@quantumsummers_> *stuff
+19:15 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: I like that, must read up
+19:15 <@rich0> If I burn CDs from the debian official ISOs I can charge $1k and use the community logo, for example
+19:15 <@dabbott> I like the idea of one official logo and the more relaxed community logos
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Me too but that does not mean we need to trademake it
+19:16 <@rich0> Only debian projects can use the official logos - which are similar but different
+19:16 <@dabbott> can we sell Larry the cow logo t-shirts in the store?
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Larray and G and quite different but both associated with Gentoo
+19:16 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott sure we can
+19:17 <@dabbott> or would that need to be put in a community store
+19:17 <@rich0> Still, until we change policy I'm all for following the status quo with DiscoLibre.
+19:17 <@quantumsummers_> this reminds me of something, the gentoo-ev site says Gentoo (R) is a registered trademark of Gentoo eV
+19:17 <@rich0> And either way I'm not sure Larry is a good mark - we don't even own copyright on it. No harm in using it legally, but not a good way to build an IP base.
+19:18 <+a3li> quantumsummers_: what's wrong with that?
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Policy is that if its like GPL, a nominal cost, its fine, we give them a link. If they make money, we want a cut
+19:18 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: Gentoo is registered to the Foundation
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thats correct. the e.V own the mark in Europe
+19:18 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: yup - no issue with that and any change should be carefully considered
+19:18 <+a3li> quantumsummers_: we *do* have a trademark in europe
+19:18 <@quantumsummers_> ok then :D
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and its registration there predates the Foundation :)
+19:19 <@rich0> though GPL doesn't prohibit making money off of the binaries - it is only the source that has to be nominal cost and only to those you've already sold binaries to
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, true - I was likening it to the GPL.
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more on Lary the Cow
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Memership Applications
+19:20 <@dabbott> Yes all three
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> All gentoo devs - Montion at accept
+19:21 <@quantumsummers_> aye to all devs
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+19:21 <@rich0> aye
+19:21 <@robbat2> aye
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Advertising Requests
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> StartCom
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, this is in exchange for Certs ?
+19:22 <@robbat2> startcom bit is on hold atm, so a timeline for a sec
+19:22 <@robbat2> StartCom approached us offering certs at greatly discounted (just basically the initial validation cost)
+19:23 <@robbat2> the trustees approved that, and at approximately the same time we got an offer from Comodo
+19:24 <@robbat2> that was late April
+19:25 <@robbat2> i haven't actually spent any more w/ StartCom yet, as I had to get various paperwork in order (their validation is of me directly [passport etc], and then the foundation's corporation stuff)
+19:25 < sping> i missed speaking up on larry the cow - can we do a second round on that? i don't feel it has got the needed attention yet as to what i see in the log above
+19:25 <@robbat2> in Comodo's favour, they actually use Gentoo
+19:26 <@robbat2> sping, wait for open floor
+19:26 < sping> robbat2: sure
+19:26 <@robbat2> StartCom uses linux, but hasn't said anything about Gentoo in specific
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> why would we choose one rather than the other ?
+19:28 <@robbat2> i need to follow up w/ Comodo to see if they would offer us similar stuff to what StartCom would (basically unlimited certs), as their initial email wasn't conclusion
+19:28 <@rich0> I think Comodo's offer was better (free I think - but not certain on the details / comparison). My biggest concern was that we said yes to StartCom already. I don't like saying yes and then saying "wait, we got a better offer."
+19:29 <@robbat2> mainly my concern is that startcom asked for what I consider to be a LOT of my personal information after I got started w/ them
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I'm with you there
+19:29 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: that would bother me too
+19:29 <@rich0> robbat2: if the concern is over the details (personal info, etc), then I see that as grounds for reconsideration.
+19:29 <@quantumsummers_> there is no reason for it since we are incorporated
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, Why - Its gentoo they are certifying. Not an individual
+19:30 <@rich0> we should in any case make sure that Comodo isn't just going to be the same way before canceling work-in-progress
+19:30 <@quantumsummers_> exactly the point, they should not tie it to a person, but the organization
+19:30 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: are the EV certs?
+19:30 <@robbat2> StartCom's model is that people can be really verified, while organizations are less certain (eg who really is behind an org)
+19:31 <@rich0> I can see how they need to verify that the person is legally able to represent the organization.
+19:31 <@robbat2> in theory, EV in both offers
+19:31 <@quantumsummers_> that is good I guess
+19:31 <@rich0> I can call up and say "gimme a hotmail.com cert - MS is a corporation and here is a copy of their public paperwork"
+19:31 <@robbat2> they phone the # on the WHOIS records too ;-)
+19:31 <@robbat2> which points to me presently
+19:32 <@quantumsummers_> ah, as technical contact, yes
+19:32 <@rich0> If the personal detail aspect is the same in both cases, then I don't see how we can ethically back out on StartCom unless there is a material change in the agreement.
+19:32 <@quantumsummers_> I agree with rich0 here, although I do like the fact that comodo uses gentoo.
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I am fairly protective of my personal data.
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how does it compatre to what CAcert wanted ?
+19:33 <@rich0> agreed on liking that aspect of Comodo, and perhaps we should explain the situation to them and see if they're still interested come time of renewal.
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> compare*
+19:34 <@robbat2> CACert has seen my id in person during their verification process (many years ago), but explicitly does not keep it or want it to be sent to them
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds fair
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> Then they can't lose it like Sony :)
+19:35 <@robbat2> re losing it, my id data for StartCom would be in Israel, and I don't know what control I do have if they lose it
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its your personal info. If you think its overly intrusive. You have my support to drop negiotiations
+19:36 <@robbat2> Comodo is US-based, New Jersey, so I have more control of my info there
+19:36 <@robbat2> ok, so re handling this:
+19:36 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: no control at all, but I have several contacts in the gov't there if things get rough
+19:37 <@quantumsummers_> proceed, sorry to interrupt
+19:37 <@robbat2> i'll contact Comodo, and see if they can reasonably offer us what StartCom was, without my needing so much of my personal info
+19:37 <@robbat2> s/without my/without/
+19:38 <@robbat2> the $50/bi-annual fee that StartCom wanted wasn't a problem, so if they Comodo wants that, that's fine by me
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you are clearly not happy with Startcom and their demands - just drop them.
+19:39 <@rich0> I'm fine with switching as long as the reason is the personal info and there is a difference. That wasn't known at the time of the agreement, so I see it as a valid reason to go back if necessary.
+19:40 <@rich0> If in the end we do go with Comodo we should still thank StartCom for their offer. They made it sincerely.
+19:40 <@robbat2> yes
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm fine with sticking with CAcert if the personal info demands are unreasonable, as judged by robbat2
+19:40 <@rich0> I'm fine with that as well.
+19:41 <@robbat2> we do need to move beyond CACert for forums/bugs long term, to make them more accessible to users
+19:41 <@robbat2> for the smaller sites, CACert is fine
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its your call.
+19:41 <@robbat2> i'll discuss w/ Comodo and make a more informed decision
+19:41 <@robbat2> and inform the board of matters
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> We will hold over StartCom until next month
+19:42 <@quantumsummers_> thanks robbat2
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 19th Jun 2011 19:00 UTC
+19:42 <@quantumsummers_> +1
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I should be ok
+19:42 <@dabbott> +1
+19:42 <@robbat2> +1 on my calendar
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0,
+19:43 <@rich0> +1 - and I should still be free :)
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> :)
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... ?
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?
+19:44 <@quantumsummers_> none from me (this time ;) )
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:44 <@robbat2> none from me, but sping is here for some
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one item
+19:44 <@quantumsummers_> yes/
+19:44 < sping> NeddySeagoon: you first
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> we are about to be asked for DVDs for http://softwarelivre.org/fisl12 and a banner if there is one in South Ameraca
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> rafaelmartins will be leading
+19:46 <@dabbott> cool
+19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> that was my item
+19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ?
+19:46 <@dabbott> no cool that he is doing it :0
+19:46 <@quantumsummers_> fwiw, fedex-kinkos has nice outdorr vinyl 3'x5x banner for $60 (half price) right now. I made one for my wife's company last week, turned out well.
+19:47 < sping> on larry: may I?
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Gentoo owns 5. International shipping is a PITA
+19:47 <@quantumsummers_> ok.
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, AoB ?
+19:47 <@rich0> nothing new for me
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, 2 minuets
+19:48 < sping> NeddySeagoon: what does that mean?
+19:48 <@robbat2> 5 banners? i know of 2 of them? where are the other 3?
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities. I'll post log, wite to new members and mattst88
+19:48 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: thank you.
+19:48 <@dabbott> I have the motions
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I think there are two in Europe
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, - your turn
+19:49 < sping> i currently understand the EULA of font haed inc on larry's head as a license, not trademark
+19:50 < sping> that may mean that we cannot derive artwork from it under creative commons
+19:50 < sping> which would be bad for the gentoo pool of artwork
+19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, do you have a link to the EULA ?
+19:50 < sping> http://www.fonthead.com/license
+19:51 < sping> most important point is the one on "primary aspect of a product for resale" probably
+19:51 <@quantumsummers_> I think what we may have to do is make our own larry head OR ask them for rights to use that "letter" representation freely.
+19:51 < sping> if you have a mug with larries head and "gentoo" below it you may argue about primary aspects
+19:52 < sping> we can only get a trademark (or free licensing) in co-op with font head inc, of course
+19:52 <@rich0> So, here is my thought - we either are allowed by FontHead or not to use the logo in various ways. Anything we do with trademarks can only take away the rights of others - it cannot do anything to grant rights we don't already have.
+19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, we will need to talk with them
+19:53 < sping> NeddySeagoon: yes, but we need to know what to ask for before that
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, correct - we cannot trademark it
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, do you have any detailed thoughts ?
+19:54 <@dabbott> does it make any difference that drobbins was using it before 2009?
+19:54 < sping> dabbott: it may if we had a copy of the EULA version from back then. he doesn't have a copy around as to what he said
+19:55 <@quantumsummers_> wayback machine have a copy?
+19:55 < sping> the current EULA is newer than the font by several years
+19:56 < sping> no, see http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.fonthead.com/license
+19:56 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20090105180827/http://www.fonthead.com/fonts/Font-Heads
+19:56 <@robbat2> that's the earliest I find on archive.org
+19:57 <@rich0> Looking at the oldest copy from Feb 2009 on archive.org I don't see it as being any better from a use standpoint. That primary purpose bit could get us.
+19:57 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps contact should be made. It may be necessary to purchase the rights or something
+19:57 <@rich0> Unless somebody has an even older copy we need to work with them regarding licensing.
+19:57 <@quantumsummers_> maybe we can request the old versions?
+19:58 <@quantumsummers_> surely they have it. or maybe there is an old tarball lying around with it
+19:58 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20070127025807/http://fonthead.com/freeware.php
+19:58 <@robbat2> "The typefaces on this page are ones that we want you to use and enjoy free of charge. Use them in your personal and commercial projects, websites, logos or whatever else you are designing. "
+19:59 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: nice
+19:59 <@robbat2> that 2007 page includes no other limitations
+19:59 <@rich0> robbat2: great find
+19:59 <@quantumsummers_> so, based on the original license we are free to do whatever
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, good one
+19:59 <@robbat2> so maybe we use it, and contact FontHeads and offer attribution and linking back to them
+20:00 <@quantumsummers_> they could in theory argue the case, but since all the artwork pre-dates that document I think we are in the clear
+20:00 <@dabbott> robbat2, +1
+20:00 <@robbat2> sping, are you ok with that?
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> we should at least talk to them, so they don't find out for themselves and think we are violating the current EULA
+20:01 <@quantumsummers_> Yes we should
+20:01 <@quantumsummers_> I wonder about any changes to the font that would force us under the new license.
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, ?
+20:01 <@rich0> agreed with this plan. We could in theory just claim copyright on larry then, and license however we wish, since we're not redistributing the font itself
+20:02 < sping> i'm thinking, wait
+20:02 <@quantumsummers_> rich0: I agree
+20:02 <@rich0> It is a derivative work, clearly, but one which they allowed
+20:02 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20050424012841/http://www.fonthead.com/freeware.php <--- earliest appearence of the font heads font
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I think thats splitting hairs - we can't claim copyright on someone elses artwork
+20:02 <@rich0> I'd recommend circulating any initial contact letter with the trustees before sending.
+20:03 < sping> robbat2: does the TTF windows zip download at that page work for you?
+20:03 < sping> robbat2: the zip seems to be odd, not sure yet
+20:03 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: since its incorporated into a larger work, I think we can.
+20:03 <@rich0> Sure we can - larry as a whole is clearly an original creation. Something that is a derivative work is still copyrightable, you just need a license from whoever you derived it from.
+20:03 <@robbat2> sping, the link from the 20050424 page does work yes
+20:03 <@quantumsummers_> which, based on the original license we have
+20:04 <@rich0> You copyright A, I can copyright ABC. I still need your permission to distribute it, but you can't distribute ABC without my permission either.
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> sping it downloads
+20:04 <@dabbott> 2007 download works also
+20:04 < sping> robbat2: maybe it's just xarchiver troubling, let me see
+20:04 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/20050424012841/http://www.fonthead.com/freeware_download.php/fontheads-wtt.zip
+20:05 <@robbat2> ok, there is a problem
+20:05 <@robbat2> in that zipfile there is a more restrictive license than the page
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> The licence is the zip file is quite different to the web page
+20:06 < sping> yes, the primary aspect thing is in the 2005 zip file license already
+20:06 <@robbat2> sorry to get hopes up w/ the 2007/2005 pages
+20:06 <@quantumsummers_> alright, we just need to talk with them in this case. that, or prepare for legal wrangling
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> talk to them first
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> yep
+20:07 < sping> robbat2: it's still a great finding
+20:07 <@rich0> Yeah, not sure if larry is worth getting in a pitched battle over
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Its not
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> make a new one, that would be the easy way to go if our talks fail
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> yeah
+20:08 <@quantumsummers_> pixel shift a bit here and there
+20:08 < sping> imho making a new one is no option
+20:08 <@quantumsummers_> still retain the iconic look
+20:08 <@rich0> It can't just be a pixel-shift.
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that would be a derived work ...
+20:08 < sping> pixel shift doesn't help either, it's still derived work
+20:08 <@rich0> It has to be clearly defensible as an original creation.
+20:09 < sping> actually the version of larry used most looks different already - that came from rectracing from bitmap afaik
+20:09 <@rich0> Semblence might be ok in some regards, but the more different the better - at least the face.
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> we won't solve it here and now
+20:09 < sping> re-tracing i mean
+20:09 < sping> so what are we going to ask font head inc?
+20:10 < sping> releasing the head as CC-BY-SA?
+20:10 < sping> dropping the primary aspect thing on larry?
+20:10 <@quantumsummers_> lets discuss over email and try to get something to them in a week. sound ok? who on the board wants the task?
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> can gentoo use the glyph
+20:10 < sping> NeddySeagoon: ?
+20:11 < sping> NeddySeagoon: what do you mean?
+20:11 <@quantumsummers_> glyph == letter
+20:11 <@quantumsummers_> "Font Head people: can we use it?"
+20:11 < sping> sure, i don't get the rest of the point
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, Gentoo has used the Larry the Cow glyph for as long as I can remember. As far as I know there was never any agreement with the font owner
+20:12 <@quantumsummers_> we simply need to ask them if we can have the right to use the letter for our stuff freely
+20:12 <@quantumsummers_> or continue to exercise our right as the case may be
+20:13 < sping> NeddySeagoon: i suspect the past usage fit the EULA - in that case no extra agreement would be needed, right?
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and in exchange for attribution
+20:13 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: sounds fine to me, and more than they get now
+20:13 <@rich0> Might not hurt to include a copy of larry as a whole with the letter. So that they understand that the head is part of a greater work.
+20:13 <@robbat2> can somebody trace down our earliest use of Larry?
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, I suspect it does too but after finding that more restivtive licence in the zip file, it may just have been overlooked
+20:13 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: you seem to have the knack ;)
+20:14 < sping> NeddySeagoon: good point
+20:14 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall@206.9.88.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> restrictive*
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you are wearing your Teflon overcoat
+20:15 <@rich0> The webpage wording still offers that anybody can use it for almost anything, including as a logo.
+20:15 <@rich0> Clearly logos get made into T-shirts and what have you.
+20:15 < sping> robbat2: 8 years before at least: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-src/gentoo-web/images/fishhead.gif?hideattic=0&view=markup
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, at best - the licences conflict. That means we should have asked
+20:15 <@rich0> So, you could argue that was a license. We should mention that webpage when we contact them.
+20:16 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon: agree on the SHOULD.
+20:16 <@robbat2> ooh, that predates the 2005 link I pasted in
+20:16 <@quantumsummers_> bug 27727
+20:16 < willikins> quantumsummers_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/27727 "Larry can NOT be a Cow."; Docs-user, Other; RESO, WONT; jensthiede:docs-team
+20:16 <@quantumsummers_> http://blog.codefront.net/2004/11/29/larry-the-cow/
+20:16 <@rich0> However, failing to ask does not in inself surrender rights, it just gives up the opportunity to get them explicitly before becoming committed.
+20:16 < sping> i can make a letter proposal and send it to trustees@g.o for review
+20:16 <@robbat2> Wed Jan 2 20:53:58 2002 UTC (9 years, 4 months ago)
+20:17 <@dabbott> sping, that would be super :)
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> super duper even
+20:17 <@robbat2> rev 1.1 of the fishhead.gif file is 2 jan 2002
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, please do.
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Swift is still around - he may know something
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for open floor ?
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I asked Swift
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> he may join the channel
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> if I caught him in time
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:21 <@robbat2> http://replay.web.archive.org/200012060909/http://www.fonthead.com/freeware.html <-- new earliest discovery of the fontheads page, but download links are broken there
+20:22 <@quantumsummers_> seems like drobbins may have been buddies with those peeps
+20:22 < sping> robbat2: the font itself exists since 10-11-2000 at least
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that figures
+20:24 < sping> quantumsummers_: how come you think so?
+20:24 <@quantumsummers_> didn't he say as much on irc?
+20:25 < sping> quantumsummers_: that was referring to another font, not larry's head
+20:25 <@quantumsummers_> ah. ok
+20:25 < sping> quantumsummers_: if you refer to the custom font by a friend of his family thing
+20:25 <@quantumsummers_> ah yes, that is correct
+20:26 <@quantumsummers_> getting old, memory is imperfect
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> any more for open floor ?
+20:27 <@quantumsummers_> well, I need to attend to some house/marital duties ... anything else to discuss?
+20:27 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting
+
+Post meeting chatter included
+
+20:27 * rich0 seconds
+20:27 <@quantumsummers_> thanks y'all :)
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you everyone
+20:27 < sping> any news on forwaring my questions to the lawer contact you have?
+20:28 < sping> okay, let's do that with e-mail
+20:28 < sping> see you
+20:28 <@quantumsummers_> sping: have not heard back yet. I'll poke again.
+20:28 -!- SwifT [~Sven@gentoo/user/SwifT] has joined #gentoo-trustees
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+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> sping, thanks
+20:28 <@quantumsummers_> hey SwifT :)
+20:28 <+SwifT> hiya
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Hi SwifT
+20:28 <+SwifT> so what's the question exactly?
+20:29 <@quantumsummers_> SwifT: do you have any info on larry's lineage?
+20:29 <@quantumsummers_> mainly regarding licensing for use by Gentoo
+20:30 <+SwifT> well, larry was already present in gentoo before I arrived; I can remember that the first larry sign was based on a font, but I'm not sure if that changed since
+20:30 <+SwifT> you know, a font where each character is a drawing
+20:30 <+SwifT> seemant might know the exacts of this, he was already a senior developer when I joined :)
+20:30 <@quantumsummers_> SwifT: yes, we are aware of that now, the font bit anyway
+20:30 <@robbat2> we've got it traced back to 2002/01/02 by Gentoo
+20:30 <@quantumsummers_> seemant would be good to ask
+20:31 <+a3li> might be a bit difficult, quantumsummers_
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: how's that?
+20:31 <+a3li> he basically 'left' gentoo yesterday or so
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> seemant is still around too
+20:31 <+a3li> or rather left behind
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> what?
+20:31 <+SwifT> heh, trying to look it up redirects me to http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml ;-)
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> Well I missed that somehow
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> I know where to find him outside gentoo
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: what happened?
+20:32 <+SwifT> I'll see if I can dig something up in my e-mail archives, but I'm afraid I won't be of much use more about it
+20:32 <+a3li> quantumsummers_: he just wanted to move on, I guess. no details I can share
+20:32 <@quantumsummers_> SwifT: thanks all the same
+20:32 <+SwifT> np
+20:32 -!- SwifT [~Sven@gentoo/user/SwifT] has left #gentoo-trustees []
+20:32 <@quantumsummers_> a3li: huh, odd.
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> hes still on freenode
+20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll include this post meeting chatter in the log
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+Jun 19 15:00:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the June 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting
+Jun 19 15:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call, I'm logging. Timestamps are all over the place - its a Xen DomU
+Jun 19 15:00:49 <rich0> here, and stationary... :)
+Jun 19 15:00:55 <dabbott> here
+Jun 19 15:00:58 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, apologies - may be along later
+Jun 19 15:01:05 <robbat2> here, logging as well
+Jun 19 15:01:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start
+Jun 19 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> Larry Logo | Font News Item?
+Jun 19 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Lets fix our site with the agreed attributions first
+Jun 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> thoughts ?
+Jun 19 15:02:14 <robbat2> +1, what bits are left to fix?
+Jun 19 15:02:39 <rich0> Plans all seem fine to me - just need to do it I think.
+Jun 19 15:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, put the wording on the 403, 404 and artwork page
+Jun 19 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed wording and placement
+Jun 19 15:03:21 <robbat2> got the msg-id for the final version of the wording quickly?
+Jun 19 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> <1307557321.2923.1@NeddySeagoon>
+Jun 19 15:04:18 <robbat2> thx
+Jun 19 15:04:28 <robbat2> i'll make it live while we're busy w/ the rest of the meeting
+Jun 19 15:04:31 <NeddySeagoon> Ethan just said 'yes'
+Jun 19 15:04:39 <NeddySeagoon> ok
+Jun 19 15:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> Larry the Cow T Shirt Funding
+Jun 19 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> +1 from me, now we have the licence sorted out
+Jun 19 15:05:40 <dabbott> This should be completed in the next month, will need quantumsummers_ to pay for the shirts
+Jun 19 15:06:13 <dabbott> unless there is enough in the account
+Jun 19 15:06:34 <robbat2> i think there was a cafepress payout recently, so unsure
+Jun 19 15:06:42 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose we should poke known Larry users too ...
+Jun 19 15:07:16 <dabbott> maybe we can do the news item all together
+Jun 19 15:07:23 <NeddySeagoon> e.g. likewoah for the liveCD and other artists
+Jun 19 15:08:00 <dabbott> announce the t shirts along with the announcement
+Jun 19 15:08:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that
+Jun 19 15:08:16 <rich0> Is there someplace we track our financial status? We get a lot of requests to fund this and that, and the amounts are generally small, but it is hard to tell exactly how much we have to spend/etc.
+Jun 19 15:08:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers_ has a listing i believe, but it would be nice if it was more open
+Jun 19 15:08:54 <rich0> Agree that pairing the t-shirt announcement with the larry news is a great idea!
+Jun 19 15:08:56 <robbat2> i had an idea of doing something for that w/ him, but never followed up due to lack of free time
+Jun 19 15:09:12 <dabbott> I could keep it updated if we were sent the info
+Jun 19 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, its on the web somewhere but its about 6 months out of date. Its our FY end on 30 June, so quantumsummers_ will be updating then
+Jun 19 15:09:31 <rich0> I can understand if we need to keep it somewhat closed. A detailed register should be closed, but summary info probably should be made reasonably public at some point (maybe when our IRS situation is in order).
+Jun 19 15:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we have to file quarterly, that filing is public and its what normally goes on the web
+Jun 19 15:10:27 <rich0> Ok, that was a bit offtopic - just the concept of spending money called to my attention that we should probably keep an eye on this stuff. Again, the amounts are low so probably not a big deal.
+Jun 19 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> we can come back to quantumsummers bit, if/when he shows
+Jun 19 15:12:54 <dabbott> It needs to be updated http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml
+Jun 19 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> That gets us to Bugs. I've been away for 8 days, so I've not done my homework
+Jun 19 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep, quantumsummers_ wanted to wait until FY end
+Jun 19 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 351045
+Jun 19 15:14:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 15:15:02 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you missed my lineitem for SSL. on which there is no news
+Jun 19 15:15:32 <robbat2> relatedly to the privacy policy, there is a bug filed this week
+Jun 19 15:15:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sorry about that.
+Jun 19 15:16:21 <robbat2> !bug 372101
+Jun 19 15:16:23 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/372101 "Bugzilla does not obey DIRECTIVE 95/46/EC"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; UNCO; dark:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 15:16:35 <robbat2> that's privacy policy
+Jun 19 15:16:56 <robbat2> in there I proposed one course of action that the rest of infra seems in favour of
+Jun 19 15:17:26 <robbat2> specifically having a privacy page that includes the SSH login banner that you see when you login to any of our boxes
+Jun 19 15:17:35 <robbat2> as well as the privacy policy segment from lists.g.o
+Jun 19 15:17:53 <NeddySeagoon> I suspect we can't have a privacy policy that works all over the world.
+Jun 19 15:17:54 <robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml <-- bottom of the page
+Jun 19 15:18:28 <robbat2> ah, Debian has updated theirs to include more disclaimer
+Jun 19 15:19:18 <robbat2> complying w/ 95/46/EC fully would neuter Bugzilla entirely, so we need to find a reasonable compromise
+Jun 19 15:19:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, has asked the SFLC for an opinion. Lets wait until we get a response
+Jun 19 15:19:43 <robbat2> i'll put my draft stuff together prior to that
+Jun 19 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok
+Jun 19 15:21:00 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 293309
+Jun 19 15:21:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 "x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses
+Jun 19 15:21:49 <robbat2> comment 24 on there had the question for us
+Jun 19 15:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> We should probably fix the usage guidelines as you suggest robbat2
+Jun 19 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being used outside of Gentoo
+Jun 19 15:23:41 <rich0> I think the key is to have one updated logo usage page and then reference that everywhere else.
+Jun 19 15:23:44 <NeddySeagoon> No strong feelings either way - we could just handle requests as they arise
+Jun 19 15:24:58 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep, if we have the same info in two places both will be a) wrong and b) contradictory.
+Jun 19 15:25:10 <robbat2> proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml <-- seems to be updated for the fonthead bits already, and i'm just committing the 404/410 pages now
+Jun 19 15:25:20 <rich0> I think the key should be to define the situations when others can use the logo, and beyond that it is purely by-request.
+Jun 19 15:25:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep
+Jun 19 15:25:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:25:49 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. is clearly wrong on that page. Its discussing our logo and trademarks
+Jun 19 15:28:31 <rich0> I like sping's wording here.
+Jun 19 15:29:16 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we cannot licence our logo under the CC-SA licence
+Jun 19 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> we should just remove the The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. line in the footer and maybe clarify the reat
+Jun 19 15:30:14 <rich0> I was thinking about that
+Jun 19 15:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> After all, most of the other text says what is permitted/denied
+Jun 19 15:30:43 <robbat2> one request re his wording there
+Jun 19 15:30:50 <rich0> Why not just state on ALL pages "Copyright 2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc" and have a license page somewhere with the details.
+Jun 19 15:31:07 <rich0> Then we don't have to fit everything in a one-liner on every single page.
+Jun 19 15:31:11 <robbat2> rich0, no, CC wants it per-page recalling somewhere in the detailed discussion
+Jun 19 15:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a relicencing mess - we don't want to get into that
+Jun 19 15:31:33 <rich0> That license page could have the gory details and suitable disclaimers, references to logo usage, etc.
+Jun 19 15:31:43 <robbat2> but I'd like to trim: "Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alive 2.5" to CC-BY-SA-2.5
+Jun 19 15:31:53 <rich0> I'm not suggesting that we change the license, only that we link to it instead of writing it on every page. Just a thought.
+Jun 19 15:32:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how can we use CC-BY-SA-2.5 on that page at all ?
+Jun 19 15:32:25 <robbat2> it's the footer
+Jun 19 15:32:41 <robbat2> doc/en/inserts.xml is the source file
+Jun 19 15:32:52 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - but it does not apply to the page content
+Jun 19 15:34:17 <robbat2> actually, it's a little more complicated than that
+Jun 19 15:34:27 <robbat2> if you include an empty <license/> tag
+Jun 19 15:34:34 <robbat2> then the default license text gets used
+Jun 19 15:34:43 <dabbott> yep
+Jun 19 15:34:55 <robbat2> that is 99.9% of our pages right now
+Jun 19 15:34:59 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we can't claim copyright over the entire content of the site. In Germany for instance, its not possible to assign copyright
+Jun 19 15:35:40 <robbat2> we claim it already, i'm not changing that at all. just how it's displayed
+Jun 19 15:35:56 <rich0> The front page already has at the bottom "Copyright 2001-2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Questions, Comments? Contact us."
+Jun 19 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its probably true for 99.9% of pages but that particular page is about how our marks/logos can be used and CC-BY-SA-2.5 isn't one of the ways
+Jun 19 15:36:45 <robbat2> err, you're mixing pages now
+Jun 19 15:36:56 <robbat2> we're not talking about marks naymore
+Jun 19 15:37:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't tell sping and friends :)
+Jun 19 15:37:05 <robbat2> we're talking strictly about bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:37:07 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the bug references http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml
+Jun 19 15:38:41 <robbat2> "The Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines [2] apply."
+Jun 19 15:38:51 <robbat2> that covers the logo, the CC-BY-SA is for the text on the site
+Jun 19 15:38:51 <NeddySeagoon> OK.
+Jun 19 15:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> agreed
+Jun 19 15:39:09 <robbat2> the "unless otherwise expressly stated" phrase is really important here
+Jun 19 15:39:18 <rich0> I think that does cover us.
+Jun 19 15:39:19 <NeddySeagoon> I did warn you that I had not done my homework
+Jun 19 15:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep
+Jun 19 15:39:56 <rich0> Seems like copyright is another long-term issue to deal with - not that we need to resolve it today.
+Jun 19 15:40:27 <rich0> In any case, I think the goal is to keep per-page info short and snappy, and then just reference someplace with the gory details.
+Jun 19 15:40:33 <robbat2> are we happy w/ the base proposal of bug 369181?
+Jun 19 15:40:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah. Its a PITA.
+Jun 19 15:40:34 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:40:38 <dabbott> I am all for a condensed <license/> CC-BY-SA-2.5
+Jun 19 15:40:44 <robbat2> w/ the shrunk bit
+Jun 19 15:40:54 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I'm OK with bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:40:54 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:40:55 <dabbott> yes
+Jun 19 15:41:09 <rich0> I'm fine with the condensed bit, if it links to the full license.
+Jun 19 15:41:32 <rich0> Fine with the bug either way.
+Jun 19 15:41:33 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA-2.5 as a link is +1 from me
+Jun 19 15:41:50 <robbat2> ok, i've committed it w/ that :-)
+Jun 19 15:41:55 <NeddySeagoon> heh
+Jun 19 15:42:01 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369185
+Jun 19 15:42:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be declared as licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:42:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will have to go in 5 min - I can hear dinner being served
+Jun 19 15:42:48 <NeddySeagoon> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly sounds about right
+Jun 19 15:43:08 <robbat2> ok
+Jun 19 15:43:11 <dabbott> fine by me
+Jun 19 15:43:21 <robbat2> yeah we approved it already last year
+Jun 19 15:43:23 <robbat2> just need to update the page
+Jun 19 15:43:24 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA/2.5 is clearly wrong
+Jun 19 15:43:28 <robbat2> as CCPL
+Jun 19 15:43:34 <NeddySeagoon> yep
+Jun 19 15:44:04 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369725
+Jun 19 15:44:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369725 "Satisfy attribution on xml/htdocs/errors/en/*.xml"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:44:17 <dabbott> or add another <license/> tag to cover it
+Jun 19 15:44:39 <robbat2> i committed that minutes ago already
+Jun 19 15:44:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, youu have just fixed them
+Jun 19 15:45:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371429
+Jun 19 15:45:04 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371429 "Check legal aspects of "Larry on Redmond Hills""; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:45:22 <dabbott> a new tag to cover CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0
+Jun 19 15:46:01 <robbat2> dabbott, i'll deal w/ the CCPL side.
+Jun 19 15:46:17 <robbat2> re the redmond hills, do we need to worry about it being based on the XP wallpaper?
+Jun 19 15:46:23 <NeddySeagoon> I don't like the sound of that "Larry on Redmond Hills" at all.
+Jun 19 15:46:25 <rich0> That is my main concern.
+Jun 19 15:46:36 <rich0> Is it a derivative work?
+Jun 19 15:46:48 <robbat2> IANAL, but I think so
+Jun 19 15:46:48 <NeddySeagoon> Someone will own the copyright in the image
+Jun 19 15:47:15 <NeddySeagoon> If its MS, they will say no
+Jun 19 15:48:04 <dabbott> Its more trouble than it is worth dealing with
+Jun 19 15:48:07 <rich0> Just compared to the originals at: http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/04/origin-of-windows-xp-default-wallpaper.html
+Jun 19 15:48:11 <robbat2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_%28image%29
+Jun 19 15:48:24 <rich0> Seems almost certainly to be covered by copyright - we can't use it without a license.
+Jun 19 15:48:27 <dabbott> he said he traced it from an xp wallpaper
+Jun 19 15:48:49 <rich0> If it were just a bunch of hills, grass, and clouds (but not THIS hill, grass, and cloud arrangement) we might be ok.
+Jun 19 15:49:07 <robbat2> ok, so it's definitely a derivative then, unless we send somebody out there to take a new photo of said hill
+Jun 19 15:49:39 <rich0> Believe it or not even that can get touchy - not that it will happen.
+Jun 19 15:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Its more trouble than its worth
+Jun 19 15:50:55 <rich0> Ok, so no hosting on Gentoo, or official links/etc seems best.
+Jun 19 15:51:16 <NeddySeagoon> !Bug 371543
+Jun 19 15:51:16 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'willikins: help bug'
+Jun 19 15:51:23 <robbat2> hmm, that's a bug I should fix
+Jun 19 15:51:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371543
+Jun 19 15:51:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:52:48 <NeddySeagoon> Not a problem. Our mark is the word Gentoo - regardless of font
+Jun 19 15:53:33 <rich0> Should make sure copyright is assigned or understood if we're going to offer it officially.
+Jun 19 15:53:46 <rich0> Agree the mark applies regardless.
+Jun 19 15:54:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, if its from sping, he can't do that
+Jun 19 15:54:19 <rich0> "or understood" :)
+Jun 19 15:54:22 <robbat2> he can get a vector image together for us to review
+Jun 19 15:55:02 <NeddySeagoon> the best we could get would be a "free to use" agreement
+Jun 19 15:55:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are you updating the bug to request that ?
+Jun 19 15:56:18 <robbat2> ok, i will
+Jun 19 15:56:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371825
+Jun 19 15:56:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371825 "Please order replacement drive for barbet.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF; darkside:trustees
+Jun 19 15:56:51 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, probably wouldn't hurt for him to clearly license it appropriately CC-BY-SA or whatever.
+Jun 19 15:56:58 <NeddySeagoon> -infra have a $1000 spares and repairs budget - so this need not come to us
+Jun 19 15:57:01 <dabbott> should be covered with the infra budget
+Jun 19 15:57:20 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, good to hear - makes sense to actually budget for this stuff and then not micromanage.
+Jun 19 15:57:23 <dabbott> if not we need to up the budget :)
+Jun 19 15:57:45 <robbat2> that's an infra item, not sure why darkside assigned to trustees
+Jun 19 15:57:48 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I have a problem with our marks and CC-BY-SA ... its almost like allowing them to be public domain
+Jun 19 15:58:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its renewed on 1st July
+Jun 19 15:58:32 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not suggesting we should allow the use of the marks - only that he as the author should license it for copyright. Maybe we should just get him to agree that it can be used in accordance with the logo guidelines.
+Jun 19 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740
+Jun 19 15:58:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; IN_P; bugs-gentoo:trustees
+Jun 19 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works
+Jun 19 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we were going to close that as wontfix
+Jun 19 15:59:46 <robbat2> ok, will close/re-assign to forums
+Jun 19 16:00:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, nothing will happen until we get PHP-BB 3 anyway
+Jun 19 16:00:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549
+Jun 19 16:00:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; IN_P; belendax:trustees
+Jun 19 16:00:43 <NeddySeagoon> awaiting advice from SFLC
+Jun 19 16:01:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766
+Jun 19 16:01:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees
+Jun 19 16:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, should have fixed that
+Jun 19 16:02:19 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853
+Jun 19 16:02:21 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees
+Jun 19 16:02:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thats about to be fixed
+Jun 19 16:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 343975
+Jun 19 16:02:48 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; darkside:trustees
+Jun 19 16:03:21 <robbat2> that's resolved already
+Jun 19 16:03:31 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm - it says IN_P... but its fixed
+Jun 19 16:03:40 <rich0> Hit refresh
+Jun 19 16:03:55 <dabbott> On the new mexico website don't you just put Gentoo in search to get to the info ?
+Jun 19 16:04:25 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you hadn't updated your search page ;-)
+Jun 19 16:04:33 <robbat2> dabbott, in one of the boxes yes
+Jun 19 16:04:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm in firefox as galeon broke on me, so I've lost the link I had :(
+Jun 19 16:05:23 <dabbott> No Records Found http://164.64.53.200/CorpSearch/%28S%28lyyitmn1g0puvfjfa3woac45%29%29/CorpSearch.aspx?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC//
+Jun 19 16:05:43 <NeddySeagoon> I need to go. I'll be back as soon as I can. robbat2 would you take over the chair please
+Jun 19 16:05:47 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, go
+Jun 19 16:05:48 <rich0> Odd
+Jun 19 16:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> thanks
+Jun 19 16:06:00 <dabbott> later NeddySeagoon
+Jun 19 16:06:01 <robbat2> !bug 363871
+Jun 19 16:06:02 <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 16:06:06 <robbat2> that's in progress with me still
+Jun 19 16:06:22 <robbat2> and I think that covers all of the bugs
+Jun 19 16:06:55 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott: did I miss any bugs before we move to new business?
+Jun 19 16:07:48 <dabbott> no thats it
+Jun 19 16:07:52 <rich0> don't think so
+Jun 19 16:08:00 <robbat2> ok, new business.
+Jun 19 16:08:21 <robbat2> 5.1. upcoming purchase request for masterdistfiles.gentoo.org hardware
+Jun 19 16:08:46 <robbat2> i think infra should just put the purchase req together and submit it, I don't have any concerns about it.
+Jun 19 16:09:07 <dabbott> +1 whatever is needed
+Jun 19 16:09:19 <rich0> Don't think I've heard about that one.
+Jun 19 16:09:54 <robbat2> it dates back to last year, when GNi was closing down, we wanted to purchase two new machines as replacements for some of the stuff that was at GNi
+Jun 19 16:10:01 <robbat2> but we found some sponsor hardware instead
+Jun 19 16:10:23 <robbat2> but for masterdistfiles, we really need a high-storage box physically located at OSL
+Jun 19 16:10:43 <robbat2> since that's where we have to feed the mirror infrastructure from
+Jun 19 16:11:43 <rich0> Ok, seems reasonable. Has the proposal already been circulated?
+Jun 19 16:11:52 <rich0> Or are we asking them to write one up for a final OK?
+Jun 19 16:12:07 <robbat2> there was a rough version last year, that needs a write up
+Jun 19 16:12:23 <rich0> I'm also fine with giving a general budget to operate in and leaving it up to infra to work out the details.
+Jun 19 16:12:24 <robbat2> moving on then
+Jun 19 16:12:28 <rich0> ok
+Jun 19 16:12:36 <robbat2> 5.2. FISL conference funding
+Jun 19 16:12:39 <robbat2> rafaelmartins are you here?
+Jun 19 16:12:49 <rafaelmartins> here
+Jun 19 16:13:13 <robbat2> your last response said you were going to get back to us
+Jun 19 16:13:36 <robbat2> since it's next week, i hope you've found somewhere local to make them for you, or you're burning already
+Jun 19 16:13:48 <rafaelmartins> ok... it's almost impossible to find a company there that gets an iso and artwork, and get paid using paypal
+Jun 19 16:14:34 <rafaelmartins> then I'll pay it myself and ask for reimburse, if you guys approve the funding
+Jun 19 16:14:46 <robbat2> do you have a ballpark figure?
+Jun 19 16:15:45 <rafaelmartins> I'll do 200 copies... a copy should cost ~1 USD there... I'll have a final value tomorrow
+Jun 19 16:16:29 <dabbott> ok
+Jun 19 16:16:51 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott, proposal of up to $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs?
+Jun 19 16:17:01 <dabbott> seconded
+Jun 19 16:17:06 <rich0> aye
+Jun 19 16:17:11 <dabbott> yes
+Jun 19 16:17:12 <robbat2> carried
+Jun 19 16:17:16 <robbat2> aye
+Jun 19 16:17:31 <rich0> Again, wouldn't hurt long-term to equip somebody in the EU for these sorts of things long-term to save costs.
+Jun 19 16:17:38 <robbat2> rich0, he's in brazil
+Jun 19 16:17:40 <rich0> No bearing on present situation.
+Jun 19 16:17:41 <robbat2> not EU
+Jun 19 16:17:42 <rich0> yup
+Jun 19 16:17:51 <rafaelmartins> yeah :(
+Jun 19 16:18:02 <rich0> EU just a special case with VAT and open borders/etc.
+Jun 19 16:18:18 <dabbott> rafaelmartins, take a picture of the receipt and send it to us for our records
+Jun 19 16:18:26 <robbat2> rafaelmartins, you're good to go. please open a bug with a scan of your invoice (redact your CC # please) for reimbursement
+Jun 19 16:18:27 <rafaelmartins> dabbott, of course
+Jun 19 16:18:39 <rafaelmartins> thank you guys :)
+Jun 19 16:18:43 <rafaelmartins> robbat2, ok
+Jun 19 16:18:55 <rich0> rafaelmartins, Thanks for representing Gentoo! :)
+Jun 19 16:18:56 <dabbott> np, thanks for doing it
+Jun 19 16:19:16 <robbat2> 5.3. gentoo.xxx domain
+Jun 19 16:19:53 <robbat2> background: the .xxx TLD is opening up, and unlike other TLDs, there is a period upfront that can be used to blacklist the domain forever
+Jun 19 16:20:20 <robbat2> however it costs $200USD+vat
+Jun 19 16:20:45 <dabbott> no one is going to think of Gentoo Linux when the vist gentoo.xxx I say don't wotrry about it
+Jun 19 16:20:51 <rich0> ++
+Jun 19 16:21:04 <rich0> Christian made a good argument.
+Jun 19 16:21:16 <rich0> Unless we're going to buy every TLD, what's the point?
+Jun 19 16:21:22 <robbat2> agreed
+Jun 19 16:21:32 <robbat2> ok, so we resolve to ignore the .xxx TLD
+Jun 19 16:21:37 <rich0> If they use the logo/etc then we have a case against them.
+Jun 19 16:21:49 <robbat2> on entirely seperate and more solid grounds
+Jun 19 16:22:23 <robbat2> ok, that's all of the new business on the agenda
+Jun 19 16:22:34 <robbat2> any other new business items that weren't agenda'd ahead of time?
+Jun 19 16:23:02 <rich0> None here.
+Jun 19 16:23:21 <dabbott> I can't think of anything
+Jun 19 16:23:55 <robbat2> 6. membership applications
+Jun 19 16:24:02 <robbat2> none this month that I see
+Jun 19 16:24:10 <robbat2> 7. advertising requests
+Jun 19 16:24:11 <robbat2> also none
+Jun 19 16:24:24 <robbat2> lastly cleanup stuff
+Jun 19 16:24:27 <dabbott> when were we going to do another meeting for an additional Treasure Report
+Jun 19 16:24:41 <robbat2> i don't know. that needs quantumsummers_
+Jun 19 16:25:18 <robbat2> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jul 2011 19:00 UTC
+Jun 19 16:25:35 <dabbott> fine here afaik
+Jun 19 16:26:13 <robbat2> rich0, good for you?
+Jun 19 16:26:22 <robbat2> it works for me
+Jun 19 16:26:24 <rich0> Fine here - gotta fix the Google Calendar...
+Jun 19 16:26:45 <robbat2> ok, that's set then
+Jun 19 16:26:50 <robbat2> any other business?
+Jun 19 16:27:05 <rich0> Somebody had it at 19:00 EST, now I set it to 19:00 GMT+0, which somehow is treated as BST.
+Jun 19 16:27:17 <robbat2> ah
+Jun 19 16:27:42 <robbat2> any other business, going once
+Jun 19 16:28:01 <robbat2> twice
+Jun 19 16:28:20 <robbat2> ok, moving on
+Jun 19 16:28:37 <robbat2> i'll post the log + minutes
+Jun 19 16:28:39 <dabbott> I can do both I think I have a log here
+Jun 19 16:28:53 <robbat2> ok, i'll defer to you, i've got a bunch of infra stuff for this afternoon
+Jun 19 16:29:08 <robbat2> i'll do the motions listing from your minutes
+Jun 19 16:29:19 <robbat2> i don't think we have any emails to send
+Jun 19 16:29:31 <robbat2> so that just leaves open floor
+Jun 19 16:30:13 <dabbott> just the one motion $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs
+Jun 19 16:30:31 <antarus> Wait, we can reimburse porn purchases?
+Jun 19 16:31:01 <robbat2> antarus, you'll have to work it off in trade, "devs of a gentoo" calendar
+Jun 19 16:31:07 <robbat2> *"Devs of Gentoo"
+Jun 19 16:31:52 <robbat2> nothing else for open floor, so I declare this meeting closed
+Jun 19 16:31:59 * robbat2 bangs his imaginary gavel
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+Jun 19 15:00:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the June 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting
+Jun 19 15:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call, I'm logging. Timestamps are all over the place - its a Xen DomU
+Jun 19 15:00:49 <rich0> here, and stationary... :)
+Jun 19 15:00:55 <dabbott> here
+Jun 19 15:00:58 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, apologies - may be along later
+Jun 19 15:01:05 <robbat2> here, logging as well
+Jun 19 15:01:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start
+Jun 19 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> Larry Logo | Font News Item?
+Jun 19 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Lets fix our site with the agreed attributions first
+Jun 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> thoughts ?
+Jun 19 15:02:14 <robbat2> +1, what bits are left to fix?
+Jun 19 15:02:39 <rich0> Plans all seem fine to me - just need to do it I think.
+Jun 19 15:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, put the wording on the 403, 404 and artwork page
+Jun 19 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed wording and placement
+Jun 19 15:03:21 <robbat2> got the msg-id for the final version of the wording quickly?
+Jun 19 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> <1307557321.2923.1@NeddySeagoon>
+Jun 19 15:04:18 <robbat2> thx
+Jun 19 15:04:28 <robbat2> i'll make it live while we're busy w/ the rest of the meeting
+Jun 19 15:04:31 <NeddySeagoon> Ethan just said 'yes'
+Jun 19 15:04:39 <NeddySeagoon> ok
+Jun 19 15:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> Larry the Cow T Shirt Funding
+Jun 19 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> +1 from me, now we have the licence sorted out
+Jun 19 15:05:40 <dabbott> This should be completed in the next month, will need quantumsummers_ to pay for the shirts
+Jun 19 15:06:13 <dabbott> unless there is enough in the account
+Jun 19 15:06:34 <robbat2> i think there was a cafepress payout recently, so unsure
+Jun 19 15:06:42 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose we should poke known Larry users too ...
+Jun 19 15:07:16 <dabbott> maybe we can do the news item all together
+Jun 19 15:07:23 <NeddySeagoon> e.g. likewoah for the liveCD and other artists
+Jun 19 15:08:00 <dabbott> announce the t shirts along with the announcement
+Jun 19 15:08:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that
+Jun 19 15:08:16 <rich0> Is there someplace we track our financial status? We get a lot of requests to fund this and that, and the amounts are generally small, but it is hard to tell exactly how much we have to spend/etc.
+Jun 19 15:08:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers_ has a listing i believe, but it would be nice if it was more open
+Jun 19 15:08:54 <rich0> Agree that pairing the t-shirt announcement with the larry news is a great idea!
+Jun 19 15:08:56 <robbat2> i had an idea of doing something for that w/ him, but never followed up due to lack of free time
+Jun 19 15:09:12 <dabbott> I could keep it updated if we were sent the info
+Jun 19 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, its on the web somewhere but its about 6 months out of date. Its our FY end on 30 June, so quantumsummers_ will be updating then
+Jun 19 15:09:31 <rich0> I can understand if we need to keep it somewhat closed. A detailed register should be closed, but summary info probably should be made reasonably public at some point (maybe when our IRS situation is in order).
+Jun 19 15:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we have to file quarterly, that filing is public and its what normally goes on the web
+Jun 19 15:10:27 <rich0> Ok, that was a bit offtopic - just the concept of spending money called to my attention that we should probably keep an eye on this stuff. Again, the amounts are low so probably not a big deal.
+Jun 19 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> we can come back to quantumsummers bit, if/when he shows
+Jun 19 15:12:54 <dabbott> It needs to be updated http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml
+Jun 19 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> That gets us to Bugs. I've been away for 8 days, so I've not done my homework
+Jun 19 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep, quantumsummers_ wanted to wait until FY end
+Jun 19 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 351045
+Jun 19 15:14:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 15:15:02 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you missed my lineitem for SSL. on which there is no news
+Jun 19 15:15:32 <robbat2> relatedly to the privacy policy, there is a bug filed this week
+Jun 19 15:15:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sorry about that.
+Jun 19 15:16:21 <robbat2> !bug 372101
+Jun 19 15:16:23 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/372101 "Bugzilla does not obey DIRECTIVE 95/46/EC"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; UNCO; dark:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 15:16:35 <robbat2> that's privacy policy
+Jun 19 15:16:56 <robbat2> in there I proposed one course of action that the rest of infra seems in favour of
+Jun 19 15:17:26 <robbat2> specifically having a privacy page that includes the SSH login banner that you see when you login to any of our boxes
+Jun 19 15:17:35 <robbat2> as well as the privacy policy segment from lists.g.o
+Jun 19 15:17:53 <NeddySeagoon> I suspect we can't have a privacy policy that works all over the world.
+Jun 19 15:17:54 <robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml <-- bottom of the page
+Jun 19 15:18:28 <robbat2> ah, Debian has updated theirs to include more disclaimer
+Jun 19 15:19:18 <robbat2> complying w/ 95/46/EC fully would neuter Bugzilla entirely, so we need to find a reasonable compromise
+Jun 19 15:19:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, has asked the SFLC for an opinion. Lets wait until we get a response
+Jun 19 15:19:43 <robbat2> i'll put my draft stuff together prior to that
+Jun 19 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok
+Jun 19 15:21:00 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 293309
+Jun 19 15:21:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 "x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses
+Jun 19 15:21:49 <robbat2> comment 24 on there had the question for us
+Jun 19 15:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> We should probably fix the usage guidelines as you suggest robbat2
+Jun 19 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being used outside of Gentoo
+Jun 19 15:23:41 <rich0> I think the key is to have one updated logo usage page and then reference that everywhere else.
+Jun 19 15:23:44 <NeddySeagoon> No strong feelings either way - we could just handle requests as they arise
+Jun 19 15:24:58 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep, if we have the same info in two places both will be a) wrong and b) contradictory.
+Jun 19 15:25:10 <robbat2> proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml <-- seems to be updated for the fonthead bits already, and i'm just committing the 404/410 pages now
+Jun 19 15:25:20 <rich0> I think the key should be to define the situations when others can use the logo, and beyond that it is purely by-request.
+Jun 19 15:25:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep
+Jun 19 15:25:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:25:49 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. is clearly wrong on that page. Its discussing our logo and trademarks
+Jun 19 15:28:31 <rich0> I like sping's wording here.
+Jun 19 15:29:16 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we cannot licence our logo under the CC-SA licence
+Jun 19 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> we should just remove the The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. line in the footer and maybe clarify the reat
+Jun 19 15:30:14 <rich0> I was thinking about that
+Jun 19 15:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> After all, most of the other text says what is permitted/denied
+Jun 19 15:30:43 <robbat2> one request re his wording there
+Jun 19 15:30:50 <rich0> Why not just state on ALL pages "Copyright 2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc" and have a license page somewhere with the details.
+Jun 19 15:31:07 <rich0> Then we don't have to fit everything in a one-liner on every single page.
+Jun 19 15:31:11 <robbat2> rich0, no, CC wants it per-page recalling somewhere in the detailed discussion
+Jun 19 15:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a relicencing mess - we don't want to get into that
+Jun 19 15:31:33 <rich0> That license page could have the gory details and suitable disclaimers, references to logo usage, etc.
+Jun 19 15:31:43 <robbat2> but I'd like to trim: "Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alive 2.5" to CC-BY-SA-2.5
+Jun 19 15:31:53 <rich0> I'm not suggesting that we change the license, only that we link to it instead of writing it on every page. Just a thought.
+Jun 19 15:32:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how can we use CC-BY-SA-2.5 on that page at all ?
+Jun 19 15:32:25 <robbat2> it's the footer
+Jun 19 15:32:41 <robbat2> doc/en/inserts.xml is the source file
+Jun 19 15:32:52 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - but it does not apply to the page content
+Jun 19 15:34:17 <robbat2> actually, it's a little more complicated than that
+Jun 19 15:34:27 <robbat2> if you include an empty <license/> tag
+Jun 19 15:34:34 <robbat2> then the default license text gets used
+Jun 19 15:34:43 <dabbott> yep
+Jun 19 15:34:55 <robbat2> that is 99.9% of our pages right now
+Jun 19 15:34:59 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we can't claim copyright over the entire content of the site. In Germany for instance, its not possible to assign copyright
+Jun 19 15:35:40 <robbat2> we claim it already, i'm not changing that at all. just how it's displayed
+Jun 19 15:35:56 <rich0> The front page already has at the bottom "Copyright 2001-2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Questions, Comments? Contact us."
+Jun 19 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its probably true for 99.9% of pages but that particular page is about how our marks/logos can be used and CC-BY-SA-2.5 isn't one of the ways
+Jun 19 15:36:45 <robbat2> err, you're mixing pages now
+Jun 19 15:36:56 <robbat2> we're not talking about marks naymore
+Jun 19 15:37:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't tell sping and friends :)
+Jun 19 15:37:05 <robbat2> we're talking strictly about bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:37:07 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the bug references http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml
+Jun 19 15:38:41 <robbat2> "The Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines [2] apply."
+Jun 19 15:38:51 <robbat2> that covers the logo, the CC-BY-SA is for the text on the site
+Jun 19 15:38:51 <NeddySeagoon> OK.
+Jun 19 15:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> agreed
+Jun 19 15:39:09 <robbat2> the "unless otherwise expressly stated" phrase is really important here
+Jun 19 15:39:18 <rich0> I think that does cover us.
+Jun 19 15:39:19 <NeddySeagoon> I did warn you that I had not done my homework
+Jun 19 15:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep
+Jun 19 15:39:56 <rich0> Seems like copyright is another long-term issue to deal with - not that we need to resolve it today.
+Jun 19 15:40:27 <rich0> In any case, I think the goal is to keep per-page info short and snappy, and then just reference someplace with the gory details.
+Jun 19 15:40:33 <robbat2> are we happy w/ the base proposal of bug 369181?
+Jun 19 15:40:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah. Its a PITA.
+Jun 19 15:40:34 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:40:38 <dabbott> I am all for a condensed <license/> CC-BY-SA-2.5
+Jun 19 15:40:44 <robbat2> w/ the shrunk bit
+Jun 19 15:40:54 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I'm OK with bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:40:54 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:40:55 <dabbott> yes
+Jun 19 15:41:09 <rich0> I'm fine with the condensed bit, if it links to the full license.
+Jun 19 15:41:32 <rich0> Fine with the bug either way.
+Jun 19 15:41:33 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA-2.5 as a link is +1 from me
+Jun 19 15:41:50 <robbat2> ok, i've committed it w/ that :-)
+Jun 19 15:41:55 <NeddySeagoon> heh
+Jun 19 15:42:01 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369185
+Jun 19 15:42:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be declared as licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:42:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will have to go in 5 min - I can hear dinner being served
+Jun 19 15:42:48 <NeddySeagoon> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly sounds about right
+Jun 19 15:43:08 <robbat2> ok
+Jun 19 15:43:11 <dabbott> fine by me
+Jun 19 15:43:21 <robbat2> yeah we approved it already last year
+Jun 19 15:43:23 <robbat2> just need to update the page
+Jun 19 15:43:24 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA/2.5 is clearly wrong
+Jun 19 15:43:28 <robbat2> as CCPL
+Jun 19 15:43:34 <NeddySeagoon> yep
+Jun 19 15:44:04 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369725
+Jun 19 15:44:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369725 "Satisfy attribution on xml/htdocs/errors/en/*.xml"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:44:17 <dabbott> or add another <license/> tag to cover it
+Jun 19 15:44:39 <robbat2> i committed that minutes ago already
+Jun 19 15:44:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, youu have just fixed them
+Jun 19 15:45:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371429
+Jun 19 15:45:04 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371429 "Check legal aspects of "Larry on Redmond Hills""; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:45:22 <dabbott> a new tag to cover CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0
+Jun 19 15:46:01 <robbat2> dabbott, i'll deal w/ the CCPL side.
+Jun 19 15:46:17 <robbat2> re the redmond hills, do we need to worry about it being based on the XP wallpaper?
+Jun 19 15:46:23 <NeddySeagoon> I don't like the sound of that "Larry on Redmond Hills" at all.
+Jun 19 15:46:25 <rich0> That is my main concern.
+Jun 19 15:46:36 <rich0> Is it a derivative work?
+Jun 19 15:46:48 <robbat2> IANAL, but I think so
+Jun 19 15:46:48 <NeddySeagoon> Someone will own the copyright in the image
+Jun 19 15:47:15 <NeddySeagoon> If its MS, they will say no
+Jun 19 15:48:04 <dabbott> Its more trouble than it is worth dealing with
+Jun 19 15:48:07 <rich0> Just compared to the originals at: http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/04/origin-of-windows-xp-default-wallpaper.html
+Jun 19 15:48:11 <robbat2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_%28image%29
+Jun 19 15:48:24 <rich0> Seems almost certainly to be covered by copyright - we can't use it without a license.
+Jun 19 15:48:27 <dabbott> he said he traced it from an xp wallpaper
+Jun 19 15:48:49 <rich0> If it were just a bunch of hills, grass, and clouds (but not THIS hill, grass, and cloud arrangement) we might be ok.
+Jun 19 15:49:07 <robbat2> ok, so it's definitely a derivative then, unless we send somebody out there to take a new photo of said hill
+Jun 19 15:49:39 <rich0> Believe it or not even that can get touchy - not that it will happen.
+Jun 19 15:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Its more trouble than its worth
+Jun 19 15:50:55 <rich0> Ok, so no hosting on Gentoo, or official links/etc seems best.
+Jun 19 15:51:16 <NeddySeagoon> !Bug 371543
+Jun 19 15:51:16 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'willikins: help bug'
+Jun 19 15:51:23 <robbat2> hmm, that's a bug I should fix
+Jun 19 15:51:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371543
+Jun 19 15:51:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:52:48 <NeddySeagoon> Not a problem. Our mark is the word Gentoo - regardless of font
+Jun 19 15:53:33 <rich0> Should make sure copyright is assigned or understood if we're going to offer it officially.
+Jun 19 15:53:46 <rich0> Agree the mark applies regardless.
+Jun 19 15:54:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, if its from sping, he can't do that
+Jun 19 15:54:19 <rich0> "or understood" :)
+Jun 19 15:54:22 <robbat2> he can get a vector image together for us to review
+Jun 19 15:55:02 <NeddySeagoon> the best we could get would be a "free to use" agreement
+Jun 19 15:55:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are you updating the bug to request that ?
+Jun 19 15:56:18 <robbat2> ok, i will
+Jun 19 15:56:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371825
+Jun 19 15:56:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371825 "Please order replacement drive for barbet.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF; darkside:trustees
+Jun 19 15:56:51 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, probably wouldn't hurt for him to clearly license it appropriately CC-BY-SA or whatever.
+Jun 19 15:56:58 <NeddySeagoon> -infra have a $1000 spares and repairs budget - so this need not come to us
+Jun 19 15:57:01 <dabbott> should be covered with the infra budget
+Jun 19 15:57:20 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, good to hear - makes sense to actually budget for this stuff and then not micromanage.
+Jun 19 15:57:23 <dabbott> if not we need to up the budget :)
+Jun 19 15:57:45 <robbat2> that's an infra item, not sure why darkside assigned to trustees
+Jun 19 15:57:48 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I have a problem with our marks and CC-BY-SA ... its almost like allowing them to be public domain
+Jun 19 15:58:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its renewed on 1st July
+Jun 19 15:58:32 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not suggesting we should allow the use of the marks - only that he as the author should license it for copyright. Maybe we should just get him to agree that it can be used in accordance with the logo guidelines.
+Jun 19 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740
+Jun 19 15:58:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; IN_P; bugs-gentoo:trustees
+Jun 19 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works
+Jun 19 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we were going to close that as wontfix
+Jun 19 15:59:46 <robbat2> ok, will close/re-assign to forums
+Jun 19 16:00:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, nothing will happen until we get PHP-BB 3 anyway
+Jun 19 16:00:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549
+Jun 19 16:00:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; IN_P; belendax:trustees
+Jun 19 16:00:43 <NeddySeagoon> awaiting advice from SFLC
+Jun 19 16:01:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766
+Jun 19 16:01:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees
+Jun 19 16:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, should have fixed that
+Jun 19 16:02:19 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853
+Jun 19 16:02:21 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees
+Jun 19 16:02:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thats about to be fixed
+Jun 19 16:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 343975
+Jun 19 16:02:48 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; darkside:trustees
+Jun 19 16:03:21 <robbat2> that's resolved already
+Jun 19 16:03:31 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm - it says IN_P... but its fixed
+Jun 19 16:03:40 <rich0> Hit refresh
+Jun 19 16:03:55 <dabbott> On the new mexico website don't you just put Gentoo in search to get to the info ?
+Jun 19 16:04:25 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you hadn't updated your search page ;-)
+Jun 19 16:04:33 <robbat2> dabbott, in one of the boxes yes
+Jun 19 16:04:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm in firefox as galeon broke on me, so I've lost the link I had :(
+Jun 19 16:05:23 <dabbott> No Records Found http://164.64.53.200/CorpSearch/%28S%28lyyitmn1g0puvfjfa3woac45%29%29/CorpSearch.aspx?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC//
+Jun 19 16:05:43 <NeddySeagoon> I need to go. I'll be back as soon as I can. robbat2 would you take over the chair please
+Jun 19 16:05:47 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, go
+Jun 19 16:05:48 <rich0> Odd
+Jun 19 16:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> thanks
+Jun 19 16:06:00 <dabbott> later NeddySeagoon
+Jun 19 16:06:01 <robbat2> !bug 363871
+Jun 19 16:06:02 <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 16:06:06 <robbat2> that's in progress with me still
+Jun 19 16:06:22 <robbat2> and I think that covers all of the bugs
+Jun 19 16:06:55 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott: did I miss any bugs before we move to new business?
+Jun 19 16:07:48 <dabbott> no thats it
+Jun 19 16:07:52 <rich0> don't think so
+Jun 19 16:08:00 <robbat2> ok, new business.
+Jun 19 16:08:21 <robbat2> 5.1. upcoming purchase request for masterdistfiles.gentoo.org hardware
+Jun 19 16:08:46 <robbat2> i think infra should just put the purchase req together and submit it, I don't have any concerns about it.
+Jun 19 16:09:07 <dabbott> +1 whatever is needed
+Jun 19 16:09:19 <rich0> Don't think I've heard about that one.
+Jun 19 16:09:54 <robbat2> it dates back to last year, when GNi was closing down, we wanted to purchase two new machines as replacements for some of the stuff that was at GNi
+Jun 19 16:10:01 <robbat2> but we found some sponsor hardware instead
+Jun 19 16:10:23 <robbat2> but for masterdistfiles, we really need a high-storage box physically located at OSL
+Jun 19 16:10:43 <robbat2> since that's where we have to feed the mirror infrastructure from
+Jun 19 16:11:43 <rich0> Ok, seems reasonable. Has the proposal already been circulated?
+Jun 19 16:11:52 <rich0> Or are we asking them to write one up for a final OK?
+Jun 19 16:12:07 <robbat2> there was a rough version last year, that needs a write up
+Jun 19 16:12:23 <rich0> I'm also fine with giving a general budget to operate in and leaving it up to infra to work out the details.
+Jun 19 16:12:24 <robbat2> moving on then
+Jun 19 16:12:28 <rich0> ok
+Jun 19 16:12:36 <robbat2> 5.2. FISL conference funding
+Jun 19 16:12:39 <robbat2> rafaelmartins are you here?
+Jun 19 16:12:49 <rafaelmartins> here
+Jun 19 16:13:13 <robbat2> your last response said you were going to get back to us
+Jun 19 16:13:36 <robbat2> since it's next week, i hope you've found somewhere local to make them for you, or you're burning already
+Jun 19 16:13:48 <rafaelmartins> ok... it's almost impossible to find a company there that gets an iso and artwork, and get paid using paypal
+Jun 19 16:14:34 <rafaelmartins> then I'll pay it myself and ask for reimburse, if you guys approve the funding
+Jun 19 16:14:46 <robbat2> do you have a ballpark figure?
+Jun 19 16:15:45 <rafaelmartins> I'll do 200 copies... a copy should cost ~1 USD there... I'll have a final value tomorrow
+Jun 19 16:16:29 <dabbott> ok
+Jun 19 16:16:51 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott, proposal of up to $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs?
+Jun 19 16:17:01 <dabbott> seconded
+Jun 19 16:17:06 <rich0> aye
+Jun 19 16:17:11 <dabbott> yes
+Jun 19 16:17:12 <robbat2> carried
+Jun 19 16:17:16 <robbat2> aye
+Jun 19 16:17:31 <rich0> Again, wouldn't hurt long-term to equip somebody in the EU for these sorts of things long-term to save costs.
+Jun 19 16:17:38 <robbat2> rich0, he's in brazil
+Jun 19 16:17:40 <rich0> No bearing on present situation.
+Jun 19 16:17:41 <robbat2> not EU
+Jun 19 16:17:42 <rich0> yup
+Jun 19 16:17:51 <rafaelmartins> yeah :(
+Jun 19 16:18:02 <rich0> EU just a special case with VAT and open borders/etc.
+Jun 19 16:18:18 <dabbott> rafaelmartins, take a picture of the receipt and send it to us for our records
+Jun 19 16:18:26 <robbat2> rafaelmartins, you're good to go. please open a bug with a scan of your invoice (redact your CC # please) for reimbursement
+Jun 19 16:18:27 <rafaelmartins> dabbott, of course
+Jun 19 16:18:39 <rafaelmartins> thank you guys :)
+Jun 19 16:18:43 <rafaelmartins> robbat2, ok
+Jun 19 16:18:55 <rich0> rafaelmartins, Thanks for representing Gentoo! :)
+Jun 19 16:18:56 <dabbott> np, thanks for doing it
+Jun 19 16:19:16 <robbat2> 5.3. gentoo.xxx domain
+Jun 19 16:19:53 <robbat2> background: the .xxx TLD is opening up, and unlike other TLDs, there is a period upfront that can be used to blacklist the domain forever
+Jun 19 16:20:20 <robbat2> however it costs $200USD+vat
+Jun 19 16:20:45 <dabbott> no one is going to think of Gentoo Linux when the vist gentoo.xxx I say don't wotrry about it
+Jun 19 16:20:51 <rich0> ++
+Jun 19 16:21:04 <rich0> Christian made a good argument.
+Jun 19 16:21:16 <rich0> Unless we're going to buy every TLD, what's the point?
+Jun 19 16:21:22 <robbat2> agreed
+Jun 19 16:21:32 <robbat2> ok, so we resolve to ignore the .xxx TLD
+Jun 19 16:21:37 <rich0> If they use the logo/etc then we have a case against them.
+Jun 19 16:21:49 <robbat2> on entirely seperate and more solid grounds
+Jun 19 16:22:23 <robbat2> ok, that's all of the new business on the agenda
+Jun 19 16:22:34 <robbat2> any other new business items that weren't agenda'd ahead of time?
+Jun 19 16:23:02 <rich0> None here.
+Jun 19 16:23:21 <dabbott> I can't think of anything
+Jun 19 16:23:55 <robbat2> 6. membership applications
+Jun 19 16:24:02 <robbat2> none this month that I see
+Jun 19 16:24:10 <robbat2> 7. advertising requests
+Jun 19 16:24:11 <robbat2> also none
+Jun 19 16:24:24 <robbat2> lastly cleanup stuff
+Jun 19 16:24:27 <dabbott> when were we going to do another meeting for an additional Treasure Report
+Jun 19 16:24:41 <robbat2> i don't know. that needs quantumsummers_
+Jun 19 16:25:18 <robbat2> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jul 2011 19:00 UTC
+Jun 19 16:25:35 <dabbott> fine here afaik
+Jun 19 16:26:13 <robbat2> rich0, good for you?
+Jun 19 16:26:22 <robbat2> it works for me
+Jun 19 16:26:24 <rich0> Fine here - gotta fix the Google Calendar...
+Jun 19 16:26:45 <robbat2> ok, that's set then
+Jun 19 16:26:50 <robbat2> any other business?
+Jun 19 16:27:05 <rich0> Somebody had it at 19:00 EST, now I set it to 19:00 GMT+0, which somehow is treated as BST.
+Jun 19 16:27:17 <robbat2> ah
+Jun 19 16:27:42 <robbat2> any other business, going once
+Jun 19 16:28:01 <robbat2> twice
+Jun 19 16:28:20 <robbat2> ok, moving on
+Jun 19 16:28:37 <robbat2> i'll post the log + minutes
+Jun 19 16:28:39 <dabbott> I can do both I think I have a log here
+Jun 19 16:28:53 <robbat2> ok, i'll defer to you, i've got a bunch of infra stuff for this afternoon
+Jun 19 16:29:08 <robbat2> i'll do the motions listing from your minutes
+Jun 19 16:29:19 <robbat2> i don't think we have any emails to send
+Jun 19 16:29:31 <robbat2> so that just leaves open floor
+Jun 19 16:30:13 <dabbott> just the one motion $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs
+Jun 19 16:30:31 <antarus> Wait, we can reimburse porn purchases?
+Jun 19 16:31:01 <robbat2> antarus, you'll have to work it off in trade, "devs of a gentoo" calendar
+Jun 19 16:31:07 <robbat2> *"Devs of Gentoo"
+Jun 19 16:31:52 <robbat2> nothing else for open floor, so I declare this meeting closed
+Jun 19 16:31:59 * robbat2 bangs his imaginary gavel
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+Jun 19 15:00:02 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the June 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting
+Jun 19 15:00:34 <NeddySeagoon> Roll call, I'm logging. Timestamps are all over the place - its a Xen DomU
+Jun 19 15:00:49 <rich0> here, and stationary... :)
+Jun 19 15:00:55 <dabbott> here
+Jun 19 15:00:58 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, apologies - may be along later
+Jun 19 15:01:05 <robbat2> here, logging as well
+Jun 19 15:01:21 <NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start
+Jun 19 15:01:31 <NeddySeagoon> Larry Logo | Font News Item?
+Jun 19 15:01:55 <NeddySeagoon> Lets fix our site with the agreed attributions first
+Jun 19 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon> thoughts ?
+Jun 19 15:02:14 <robbat2> +1, what bits are left to fix?
+Jun 19 15:02:39 <rich0> Plans all seem fine to me - just need to do it I think.
+Jun 19 15:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, put the wording on the 403, 404 and artwork page
+Jun 19 15:03:12 <NeddySeagoon> we agreed wording and placement
+Jun 19 15:03:21 <robbat2> got the msg-id for the final version of the wording quickly?
+Jun 19 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon> <1307557321.2923.1@NeddySeagoon>
+Jun 19 15:04:18 <robbat2> thx
+Jun 19 15:04:28 <robbat2> i'll make it live while we're busy w/ the rest of the meeting
+Jun 19 15:04:31 <NeddySeagoon> Ethan just said 'yes'
+Jun 19 15:04:39 <NeddySeagoon> ok
+Jun 19 15:05:09 <NeddySeagoon> Larry the Cow T Shirt Funding
+Jun 19 15:05:40 <NeddySeagoon> +1 from me, now we have the licence sorted out
+Jun 19 15:05:40 <dabbott> This should be completed in the next month, will need quantumsummers_ to pay for the shirts
+Jun 19 15:06:13 <dabbott> unless there is enough in the account
+Jun 19 15:06:34 <robbat2> i think there was a cafepress payout recently, so unsure
+Jun 19 15:06:42 <NeddySeagoon> I suppose we should poke known Larry users too ...
+Jun 19 15:07:16 <dabbott> maybe we can do the news item all together
+Jun 19 15:07:23 <NeddySeagoon> e.g. likewoah for the liveCD and other artists
+Jun 19 15:08:00 <dabbott> announce the t shirts along with the announcement
+Jun 19 15:08:13 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I like that
+Jun 19 15:08:16 <rich0> Is there someplace we track our financial status? We get a lot of requests to fund this and that, and the amounts are generally small, but it is hard to tell exactly how much we have to spend/etc.
+Jun 19 15:08:38 <robbat2> quantumsummers_ has a listing i believe, but it would be nice if it was more open
+Jun 19 15:08:54 <rich0> Agree that pairing the t-shirt announcement with the larry news is a great idea!
+Jun 19 15:08:56 <robbat2> i had an idea of doing something for that w/ him, but never followed up due to lack of free time
+Jun 19 15:09:12 <dabbott> I could keep it updated if we were sent the info
+Jun 19 15:09:19 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, its on the web somewhere but its about 6 months out of date. Its our FY end on 30 June, so quantumsummers_ will be updating then
+Jun 19 15:09:31 <rich0> I can understand if we need to keep it somewhat closed. A detailed register should be closed, but summary info probably should be made reasonably public at some point (maybe when our IRS situation is in order).
+Jun 19 15:10:17 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we have to file quarterly, that filing is public and its what normally goes on the web
+Jun 19 15:10:27 <rich0> Ok, that was a bit offtopic - just the concept of spending money called to my attention that we should probably keep an eye on this stuff. Again, the amounts are low so probably not a big deal.
+Jun 19 15:12:19 <NeddySeagoon> we can come back to quantumsummers bit, if/when he shows
+Jun 19 15:12:54 <dabbott> It needs to be updated http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/index.xml
+Jun 19 15:12:59 <NeddySeagoon> That gets us to Bugs. I've been away for 8 days, so I've not done my homework
+Jun 19 15:13:29 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep, quantumsummers_ wanted to wait until FY end
+Jun 19 15:14:38 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 351045
+Jun 19 15:14:40 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; CONF; robbat2:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 15:15:02 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you missed my lineitem for SSL. on which there is no news
+Jun 19 15:15:32 <robbat2> relatedly to the privacy policy, there is a bug filed this week
+Jun 19 15:15:37 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sorry about that.
+Jun 19 15:16:21 <robbat2> !bug 372101
+Jun 19 15:16:23 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/372101 "Bugzilla does not obey DIRECTIVE 95/46/EC"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; UNCO; dark:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 15:16:35 <robbat2> that's privacy policy
+Jun 19 15:16:56 <robbat2> in there I proposed one course of action that the rest of infra seems in favour of
+Jun 19 15:17:26 <robbat2> specifically having a privacy page that includes the SSH login banner that you see when you login to any of our boxes
+Jun 19 15:17:35 <robbat2> as well as the privacy policy segment from lists.g.o
+Jun 19 15:17:53 <NeddySeagoon> I suspect we can't have a privacy policy that works all over the world.
+Jun 19 15:17:54 <robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml <-- bottom of the page
+Jun 19 15:18:28 <robbat2> ah, Debian has updated theirs to include more disclaimer
+Jun 19 15:19:18 <robbat2> complying w/ 95/46/EC fully would neuter Bugzilla entirely, so we need to find a reasonable compromise
+Jun 19 15:19:30 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, has asked the SFLC for an opinion. Lets wait until we get a response
+Jun 19 15:19:43 <robbat2> i'll put my draft stuff together prior to that
+Jun 19 15:19:52 <NeddySeagoon> ok
+Jun 19 15:21:00 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 293309
+Jun 19 15:21:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293309 "x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme Gentoo branding (see comment #19)"; Gentoo Linux, GNOME; CONF; fastijum:licenses
+Jun 19 15:21:49 <robbat2> comment 24 on there had the question for us
+Jun 19 15:21:49 <NeddySeagoon> We should probably fix the usage guidelines as you suggest robbat2
+Jun 19 15:22:34 <NeddySeagoon> I don't see it being used outside of Gentoo
+Jun 19 15:23:41 <rich0> I think the key is to have one updated logo usage page and then reference that everywhere else.
+Jun 19 15:23:44 <NeddySeagoon> No strong feelings either way - we could just handle requests as they arise
+Jun 19 15:24:58 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep, if we have the same info in two places both will be a) wrong and b) contradictory.
+Jun 19 15:25:10 <robbat2> proj/en/desktop/artwork/artwork.xml <-- seems to be updated for the fonthead bits already, and i'm just committing the 404/410 pages now
+Jun 19 15:25:20 <rich0> I think the key should be to define the situations when others can use the logo, and beyond that it is purely by-request.
+Jun 19 15:25:36 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yep
+Jun 19 15:25:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:25:49 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:28:30 <NeddySeagoon> The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. is clearly wrong on that page. Its discussing our logo and trademarks
+Jun 19 15:28:31 <rich0> I like sping's wording here.
+Jun 19 15:29:16 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we cannot licence our logo under the CC-SA licence
+Jun 19 15:30:05 <NeddySeagoon> we should just remove the The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. line in the footer and maybe clarify the reat
+Jun 19 15:30:14 <rich0> I was thinking about that
+Jun 19 15:30:43 <NeddySeagoon> After all, most of the other text says what is permitted/denied
+Jun 19 15:30:43 <robbat2> one request re his wording there
+Jun 19 15:30:50 <rich0> Why not just state on ALL pages "Copyright 2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc" and have a license page somewhere with the details.
+Jun 19 15:31:07 <rich0> Then we don't have to fit everything in a one-liner on every single page.
+Jun 19 15:31:11 <robbat2> rich0, no, CC wants it per-page recalling somewhere in the detailed discussion
+Jun 19 15:31:28 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a relicencing mess - we don't want to get into that
+Jun 19 15:31:33 <rich0> That license page could have the gory details and suitable disclaimers, references to logo usage, etc.
+Jun 19 15:31:43 <robbat2> but I'd like to trim: "Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alive 2.5" to CC-BY-SA-2.5
+Jun 19 15:31:53 <rich0> I'm not suggesting that we change the license, only that we link to it instead of writing it on every page. Just a thought.
+Jun 19 15:32:15 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, how can we use CC-BY-SA-2.5 on that page at all ?
+Jun 19 15:32:25 <robbat2> it's the footer
+Jun 19 15:32:41 <robbat2> doc/en/inserts.xml is the source file
+Jun 19 15:32:52 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - but it does not apply to the page content
+Jun 19 15:34:17 <robbat2> actually, it's a little more complicated than that
+Jun 19 15:34:27 <robbat2> if you include an empty <license/> tag
+Jun 19 15:34:34 <robbat2> then the default license text gets used
+Jun 19 15:34:43 <dabbott> yep
+Jun 19 15:34:55 <robbat2> that is 99.9% of our pages right now
+Jun 19 15:34:59 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, we can't claim copyright over the entire content of the site. In Germany for instance, its not possible to assign copyright
+Jun 19 15:35:40 <robbat2> we claim it already, i'm not changing that at all. just how it's displayed
+Jun 19 15:35:56 <rich0> The front page already has at the bottom "Copyright 2001-2011 Gentoo Foundation, Inc. Questions, Comments? Contact us."
+Jun 19 15:36:36 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its probably true for 99.9% of pages but that particular page is about how our marks/logos can be used and CC-BY-SA-2.5 isn't one of the ways
+Jun 19 15:36:45 <robbat2> err, you're mixing pages now
+Jun 19 15:36:56 <robbat2> we're not talking about marks naymore
+Jun 19 15:37:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, don't tell sping and friends :)
+Jun 19 15:37:05 <robbat2> we're talking strictly about bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:37:07 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:37:58 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the bug references http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/name-logo.xml
+Jun 19 15:38:41 <robbat2> "The Gentoo Name and Logo Usage Guidelines [2] apply."
+Jun 19 15:38:51 <robbat2> that covers the logo, the CC-BY-SA is for the text on the site
+Jun 19 15:38:51 <NeddySeagoon> OK.
+Jun 19 15:39:03 <NeddySeagoon> agreed
+Jun 19 15:39:09 <robbat2> the "unless otherwise expressly stated" phrase is really important here
+Jun 19 15:39:18 <rich0> I think that does cover us.
+Jun 19 15:39:19 <NeddySeagoon> I did warn you that I had not done my homework
+Jun 19 15:39:32 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yep
+Jun 19 15:39:56 <rich0> Seems like copyright is another long-term issue to deal with - not that we need to resolve it today.
+Jun 19 15:40:27 <rich0> In any case, I think the goal is to keep per-page info short and snappy, and then just reference someplace with the gory details.
+Jun 19 15:40:33 <robbat2> are we happy w/ the base proposal of bug 369181?
+Jun 19 15:40:33 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah. Its a PITA.
+Jun 19 15:40:34 <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:40:38 <dabbott> I am all for a condensed <license/> CC-BY-SA-2.5
+Jun 19 15:40:44 <robbat2> w/ the shrunk bit
+Jun 19 15:40:54 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, yes - I'm OK with bug 369181
+Jun 19 15:40:54 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369181 "[PATCH] Copyright footer <license/> needs improvement"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:40:55 <dabbott> yes
+Jun 19 15:41:09 <rich0> I'm fine with the condensed bit, if it links to the full license.
+Jun 19 15:41:32 <rich0> Fine with the bug either way.
+Jun 19 15:41:33 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA-2.5 as a link is +1 from me
+Jun 19 15:41:50 <robbat2> ok, i've committed it w/ that :-)
+Jun 19 15:41:55 <NeddySeagoon> heh
+Jun 19 15:42:01 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369185
+Jun 19 15:42:03 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be declared as licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:42:17 <NeddySeagoon> I will have to go in 5 min - I can hear dinner being served
+Jun 19 15:42:48 <NeddySeagoon> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" explicitly sounds about right
+Jun 19 15:43:08 <robbat2> ok
+Jun 19 15:43:11 <dabbott> fine by me
+Jun 19 15:43:21 <robbat2> yeah we approved it already last year
+Jun 19 15:43:23 <robbat2> just need to update the page
+Jun 19 15:43:24 <NeddySeagoon> CC-BY-SA/2.5 is clearly wrong
+Jun 19 15:43:28 <robbat2> as CCPL
+Jun 19 15:43:34 <NeddySeagoon> yep
+Jun 19 15:44:04 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 369725
+Jun 19 15:44:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369725 "Satisfy attribution on xml/htdocs/errors/en/*.xml"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:44:17 <dabbott> or add another <license/> tag to cover it
+Jun 19 15:44:39 <robbat2> i committed that minutes ago already
+Jun 19 15:44:43 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, youu have just fixed them
+Jun 19 15:45:02 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371429
+Jun 19 15:45:04 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371429 "Check legal aspects of "Larry on Redmond Hills""; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:45:22 <dabbott> a new tag to cover CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0
+Jun 19 15:46:01 <robbat2> dabbott, i'll deal w/ the CCPL side.
+Jun 19 15:46:17 <robbat2> re the redmond hills, do we need to worry about it being based on the XP wallpaper?
+Jun 19 15:46:23 <NeddySeagoon> I don't like the sound of that "Larry on Redmond Hills" at all.
+Jun 19 15:46:25 <rich0> That is my main concern.
+Jun 19 15:46:36 <rich0> Is it a derivative work?
+Jun 19 15:46:48 <robbat2> IANAL, but I think so
+Jun 19 15:46:48 <NeddySeagoon> Someone will own the copyright in the image
+Jun 19 15:47:15 <NeddySeagoon> If its MS, they will say no
+Jun 19 15:48:04 <dabbott> Its more trouble than it is worth dealing with
+Jun 19 15:48:07 <rich0> Just compared to the originals at: http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/04/origin-of-windows-xp-default-wallpaper.html
+Jun 19 15:48:11 <robbat2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_%28image%29
+Jun 19 15:48:24 <rich0> Seems almost certainly to be covered by copyright - we can't use it without a license.
+Jun 19 15:48:27 <dabbott> he said he traced it from an xp wallpaper
+Jun 19 15:48:49 <rich0> If it were just a bunch of hills, grass, and clouds (but not THIS hill, grass, and cloud arrangement) we might be ok.
+Jun 19 15:49:07 <robbat2> ok, so it's definitely a derivative then, unless we send somebody out there to take a new photo of said hill
+Jun 19 15:49:39 <rich0> Believe it or not even that can get touchy - not that it will happen.
+Jun 19 15:49:40 <NeddySeagoon> Its more trouble than its worth
+Jun 19 15:50:55 <rich0> Ok, so no hosting on Gentoo, or official links/etc seems best.
+Jun 19 15:51:16 <NeddySeagoon> !Bug 371543
+Jun 19 15:51:16 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'willikins: help bug'
+Jun 19 15:51:23 <robbat2> hmm, that's a bug I should fix
+Jun 19 15:51:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371543
+Jun 19 15:51:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; CONF; sping:trustees
+Jun 19 15:52:48 <NeddySeagoon> Not a problem. Our mark is the word Gentoo - regardless of font
+Jun 19 15:53:33 <rich0> Should make sure copyright is assigned or understood if we're going to offer it officially.
+Jun 19 15:53:46 <rich0> Agree the mark applies regardless.
+Jun 19 15:54:05 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, if its from sping, he can't do that
+Jun 19 15:54:19 <rich0> "or understood" :)
+Jun 19 15:54:22 <robbat2> he can get a vector image together for us to review
+Jun 19 15:55:02 <NeddySeagoon> the best we could get would be a "free to use" agreement
+Jun 19 15:55:40 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, are you updating the bug to request that ?
+Jun 19 15:56:18 <robbat2> ok, i will
+Jun 19 15:56:23 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 371825
+Jun 19 15:56:25 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371825 "Please order replacement drive for barbet.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF; darkside:trustees
+Jun 19 15:56:51 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, probably wouldn't hurt for him to clearly license it appropriately CC-BY-SA or whatever.
+Jun 19 15:56:58 <NeddySeagoon> -infra have a $1000 spares and repairs budget - so this need not come to us
+Jun 19 15:57:01 <dabbott> should be covered with the infra budget
+Jun 19 15:57:20 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, good to hear - makes sense to actually budget for this stuff and then not micromanage.
+Jun 19 15:57:23 <dabbott> if not we need to up the budget :)
+Jun 19 15:57:45 <robbat2> that's an infra item, not sure why darkside assigned to trustees
+Jun 19 15:57:48 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, I have a problem with our marks and CC-BY-SA ... its almost like allowing them to be public domain
+Jun 19 15:58:08 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its renewed on 1st July
+Jun 19 15:58:32 <rich0> NeddySeagoon, I'm not suggesting we should allow the use of the marks - only that he as the author should license it for copyright. Maybe we should just get him to agree that it can be used in accordance with the logo guidelines.
+Jun 19 15:58:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740
+Jun 19 15:58:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; IN_P; bugs-gentoo:trustees
+Jun 19 15:58:52 <NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works
+Jun 19 15:59:12 <NeddySeagoon> I thought we were going to close that as wontfix
+Jun 19 15:59:46 <robbat2> ok, will close/re-assign to forums
+Jun 19 16:00:14 <NeddySeagoon> robbat2, nothing will happen until we get PHP-BB 3 anyway
+Jun 19 16:00:32 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549
+Jun 19 16:00:33 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; IN_P; belendax:trustees
+Jun 19 16:00:43 <NeddySeagoon> awaiting advice from SFLC
+Jun 19 16:01:03 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766
+Jun 19 16:01:05 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:trustees
+Jun 19 16:01:20 <NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, should have fixed that
+Jun 19 16:02:19 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853
+Jun 19 16:02:21 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; IN_P; mihel:trustees
+Jun 19 16:02:28 <NeddySeagoon> Thats about to be fixed
+Jun 19 16:02:47 <NeddySeagoon> !bug 343975
+Jun 19 16:02:48 <willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; darkside:trustees
+Jun 19 16:03:21 <robbat2> that's resolved already
+Jun 19 16:03:31 <NeddySeagoon> Hmm - it says IN_P... but its fixed
+Jun 19 16:03:40 <rich0> Hit refresh
+Jun 19 16:03:55 <dabbott> On the new mexico website don't you just put Gentoo in search to get to the info ?
+Jun 19 16:04:25 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you hadn't updated your search page ;-)
+Jun 19 16:04:33 <robbat2> dabbott, in one of the boxes yes
+Jun 19 16:04:38 <NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I'm in firefox as galeon broke on me, so I've lost the link I had :(
+Jun 19 16:05:23 <dabbott> No Records Found http://164.64.53.200/CorpSearch/%28S%28lyyitmn1g0puvfjfa3woac45%29%29/CorpSearch.aspx?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC//
+Jun 19 16:05:43 <NeddySeagoon> I need to go. I'll be back as soon as I can. robbat2 would you take over the chair please
+Jun 19 16:05:47 <robbat2> NeddySeagoon, go
+Jun 19 16:05:48 <rich0> Odd
+Jun 19 16:05:53 <NeddySeagoon> thanks
+Jun 19 16:06:00 <dabbott> later NeddySeagoon
+Jun 19 16:06:01 <robbat2> !bug 363871
+Jun 19 16:06:02 <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs
+Jun 19 16:06:06 <robbat2> that's in progress with me still
+Jun 19 16:06:22 <robbat2> and I think that covers all of the bugs
+Jun 19 16:06:55 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott: did I miss any bugs before we move to new business?
+Jun 19 16:07:48 <dabbott> no thats it
+Jun 19 16:07:52 <rich0> don't think so
+Jun 19 16:08:00 <robbat2> ok, new business.
+Jun 19 16:08:21 <robbat2> 5.1. upcoming purchase request for masterdistfiles.gentoo.org hardware
+Jun 19 16:08:46 <robbat2> i think infra should just put the purchase req together and submit it, I don't have any concerns about it.
+Jun 19 16:09:07 <dabbott> +1 whatever is needed
+Jun 19 16:09:19 <rich0> Don't think I've heard about that one.
+Jun 19 16:09:54 <robbat2> it dates back to last year, when GNi was closing down, we wanted to purchase two new machines as replacements for some of the stuff that was at GNi
+Jun 19 16:10:01 <robbat2> but we found some sponsor hardware instead
+Jun 19 16:10:23 <robbat2> but for masterdistfiles, we really need a high-storage box physically located at OSL
+Jun 19 16:10:43 <robbat2> since that's where we have to feed the mirror infrastructure from
+Jun 19 16:11:43 <rich0> Ok, seems reasonable. Has the proposal already been circulated?
+Jun 19 16:11:52 <rich0> Or are we asking them to write one up for a final OK?
+Jun 19 16:12:07 <robbat2> there was a rough version last year, that needs a write up
+Jun 19 16:12:23 <rich0> I'm also fine with giving a general budget to operate in and leaving it up to infra to work out the details.
+Jun 19 16:12:24 <robbat2> moving on then
+Jun 19 16:12:28 <rich0> ok
+Jun 19 16:12:36 <robbat2> 5.2. FISL conference funding
+Jun 19 16:12:39 <robbat2> rafaelmartins are you here?
+Jun 19 16:12:49 <rafaelmartins> here
+Jun 19 16:13:13 <robbat2> your last response said you were going to get back to us
+Jun 19 16:13:36 <robbat2> since it's next week, i hope you've found somewhere local to make them for you, or you're burning already
+Jun 19 16:13:48 <rafaelmartins> ok... it's almost impossible to find a company there that gets an iso and artwork, and get paid using paypal
+Jun 19 16:14:34 <rafaelmartins> then I'll pay it myself and ask for reimburse, if you guys approve the funding
+Jun 19 16:14:46 <robbat2> do you have a ballpark figure?
+Jun 19 16:15:45 <rafaelmartins> I'll do 200 copies... a copy should cost ~1 USD there... I'll have a final value tomorrow
+Jun 19 16:16:29 <dabbott> ok
+Jun 19 16:16:51 <robbat2> rich0, dabbott, proposal of up to $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs?
+Jun 19 16:17:01 <dabbott> seconded
+Jun 19 16:17:06 <rich0> aye
+Jun 19 16:17:11 <dabbott> yes
+Jun 19 16:17:12 <robbat2> carried
+Jun 19 16:17:16 <robbat2> aye
+Jun 19 16:17:31 <rich0> Again, wouldn't hurt long-term to equip somebody in the EU for these sorts of things long-term to save costs.
+Jun 19 16:17:38 <robbat2> rich0, he's in brazil
+Jun 19 16:17:40 <rich0> No bearing on present situation.
+Jun 19 16:17:41 <robbat2> not EU
+Jun 19 16:17:42 <rich0> yup
+Jun 19 16:17:51 <rafaelmartins> yeah :(
+Jun 19 16:18:02 <rich0> EU just a special case with VAT and open borders/etc.
+Jun 19 16:18:18 <dabbott> rafaelmartins, take a picture of the receipt and send it to us for our records
+Jun 19 16:18:26 <robbat2> rafaelmartins, you're good to go. please open a bug with a scan of your invoice (redact your CC # please) for reimbursement
+Jun 19 16:18:27 <rafaelmartins> dabbott, of course
+Jun 19 16:18:39 <rafaelmartins> thank you guys :)
+Jun 19 16:18:43 <rafaelmartins> robbat2, ok
+Jun 19 16:18:55 <rich0> rafaelmartins, Thanks for representing Gentoo! :)
+Jun 19 16:18:56 <dabbott> np, thanks for doing it
+Jun 19 16:19:16 <robbat2> 5.3. gentoo.xxx domain
+Jun 19 16:19:53 <robbat2> background: the .xxx TLD is opening up, and unlike other TLDs, there is a period upfront that can be used to blacklist the domain forever
+Jun 19 16:20:20 <robbat2> however it costs $200USD+vat
+Jun 19 16:20:45 <dabbott> no one is going to think of Gentoo Linux when the vist gentoo.xxx I say don't wotrry about it
+Jun 19 16:20:51 <rich0> ++
+Jun 19 16:21:04 <rich0> Christian made a good argument.
+Jun 19 16:21:16 <rich0> Unless we're going to buy every TLD, what's the point?
+Jun 19 16:21:22 <robbat2> agreed
+Jun 19 16:21:32 <robbat2> ok, so we resolve to ignore the .xxx TLD
+Jun 19 16:21:37 <rich0> If they use the logo/etc then we have a case against them.
+Jun 19 16:21:49 <robbat2> on entirely seperate and more solid grounds
+Jun 19 16:22:23 <robbat2> ok, that's all of the new business on the agenda
+Jun 19 16:22:34 <robbat2> any other new business items that weren't agenda'd ahead of time?
+Jun 19 16:23:02 <rich0> None here.
+Jun 19 16:23:21 <dabbott> I can't think of anything
+Jun 19 16:23:55 <robbat2> 6. membership applications
+Jun 19 16:24:02 <robbat2> none this month that I see
+Jun 19 16:24:10 <robbat2> 7. advertising requests
+Jun 19 16:24:11 <robbat2> also none
+Jun 19 16:24:24 <robbat2> lastly cleanup stuff
+Jun 19 16:24:27 <dabbott> when were we going to do another meeting for an additional Treasure Report
+Jun 19 16:24:41 <robbat2> i don't know. that needs quantumsummers_
+Jun 19 16:25:18 <robbat2> Date of Next Meeting - 17th Jul 2011 19:00 UTC
+Jun 19 16:25:35 <dabbott> fine here afaik
+Jun 19 16:26:13 <robbat2> rich0, good for you?
+Jun 19 16:26:22 <robbat2> it works for me
+Jun 19 16:26:24 <rich0> Fine here - gotta fix the Google Calendar...
+Jun 19 16:26:45 <robbat2> ok, that's set then
+Jun 19 16:26:50 <robbat2> any other business?
+Jun 19 16:27:05 <rich0> Somebody had it at 19:00 EST, now I set it to 19:00 GMT+0, which somehow is treated as BST.
+Jun 19 16:27:17 <robbat2> ah
+Jun 19 16:27:42 <robbat2> any other business, going once
+Jun 19 16:28:01 <robbat2> twice
+Jun 19 16:28:20 <robbat2> ok, moving on
+Jun 19 16:28:37 <robbat2> i'll post the log + minutes
+Jun 19 16:28:39 <dabbott> I can do both I think I have a log here
+Jun 19 16:28:53 <robbat2> ok, i'll defer to you, i've got a bunch of infra stuff for this afternoon
+Jun 19 16:29:08 <robbat2> i'll do the motions listing from your minutes
+Jun 19 16:29:19 <robbat2> i don't think we have any emails to send
+Jun 19 16:29:31 <robbat2> so that just leaves open floor
+Jun 19 16:30:13 <dabbott> just the one motion $250USD to reimburse rafaelmartins for his DVDs
+Jun 19 16:30:31 <antarus> Wait, we can reimburse porn purchases?
+Jun 19 16:31:01 <robbat2> antarus, you'll have to work it off in trade, "devs of a gentoo" calendar
+Jun 19 16:31:07 <robbat2> *"Devs of Gentoo"
+Jun 19 16:31:52 <robbat2> nothing else for open floor, so I declare this meeting closed
+Jun 19 16:31:59 * robbat2 bangs his imaginary gavel
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+17:31 * NeddySeagoon bangs the virtual gavel to call the meeting to order
+17:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call
+17:31 <@dabbott> present
+17:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging
+17:32 * quantumsummers is present
+17:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2 rich0 #
+17:32 <@rich0> present
+17:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, whe have a quorum, so lets start
+17:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, You have the floor. You have quite a list there
+17:33 <@quantumsummers> :) yes I do ...
+17:34 <@quantumsummers> TL;DR Summary: All things are progressing well. :)
+17:34 <@robbat2> pong
+17:35 <@quantumsummers> Treasurer Report: Still working on this. I have all data for paypal, am awaiting fax of capital 1 account statements.
+17:36 <@quantumsummers> Wanted to get with Robin re: a ledger instance for our financial data
+17:36 <@NeddySeagoon> We said we will move the AGM to August - is that still a good time to present it ?
+17:36 <@quantumsummers> I have written a python script t convert the paypal CSV into OFX format (useful in general)
+17:36 <@robbat2> what's the date of the august meeting again?
+17:36 <@dabbott> 21st Aug
+17:37 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, I will have the thing done this next week, sorry for the contiinued delay
+17:37 <@robbat2> ok, 20% chance I'll be absent from the august meeting, but low enough
+17:37 <@quantumsummers> further, I have been working with CPA on summary financials for the entire history of the foundation
+17:37 <@NeddySeagoon> No worries - I was more concerned about moving the AGM to August, then missing it next year
+17:37 <@quantumsummers> just waiting on Cap1 for their stuff
+17:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Will we be billed monthly for costs incurred or one bill at the end ?
+17:39 <@quantumsummers> SFLC: nothing really happening with them. I will be attempting to make contact with Karen on Monday, if there is anything anyone wants asked outside the 100 things already on the list, email please.
+17:39 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I am trying to do a single bill for 501c3 and 1 bill for taxes
+17:39 <@NeddySeagoon> have you told them we will not usethem for our 501c3 ?
+17:39 <@quantumsummers> SFLC? No
+17:39 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I like that break
+17:40 <@quantumsummers> I want to be able to consult in the case its needed
+17:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah, ok
+17:40 <@quantumsummers> Here is soemthing of interest
+17:40 <@quantumsummers> few years back the head of the django sw foundation invited me to join a FLOSS Foundations ML
+17:41 <@quantumsummers> all of the major FLOSS groups are represented
+17:41 <@quantumsummers> I have mainly been just "listening"
+17:41 <@quantumsummers> would anyone from the board like to be invited?
+17:41 <@quantumsummers> I have found it to be very useful
+17:41 <@quantumsummers> anyway, let me know
+17:42 <@quantumsummers> there has been discussion related to 501c3 filings and long wait times
+17:42 <@NeddySeagoon> right now, I don't have the time
+17:42 <@NeddySeagoon> can you pass that on or is it a closed ml ?
+17:42 <@rich0> quantumsummers, I wouldn't mind an invite.
+17:42 <@quantumsummers> rich0: ok cool. Its a good group, fairly low traffic
+17:42 <@rich0> I'm trying to get caught up on compliance and get ahead of issues.
+17:43 <@quantumsummers> awesome
+17:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm interested too but I won't be active until RL calms down a bit
+17:43 <@quantumsummers> anyone else want to get to know your fellow floss non-profit people?
+17:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I understand completely
+17:44 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, send me an invite
+17:44 <@quantumsummers> For the record, I do not think the birth of child will effect my participation too much. I should be up alot at night
+17:44 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, nope, i've got enough on my plate
+17:44 <@quantumsummers> dabbott ok! robbat2 np.
+17:44 <@quantumsummers> 3 of 5 is pretty good.
+17:45 <@quantumsummers> I can always fwd anything interesting
+17:45 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Congratulations! It probably will affect your participation. Infants take a lot of your time
+17:45 <@rich0> quantumsummers, congratulations!
+17:45 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I cannot afford for it to effect things too much :)
+17:46 <@quantumsummers> I can delegate to my minions if necessary
+17:46 <@quantumsummers> thanks rich0, I'm really excited
+17:46 <@quantumsummers> 1st kid and all
+17:46 <@quantumsummers> will have a photo in a gentoo onsie asap
+17:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, think about which office you want to keep. We will try to recruit for the other
+17:46 <@quantumsummers> onezy?
+17:46 <@rich0> quantumsummers, I think I can understand just a bit - stepdaughter brought home orphan kittens 2.5 months ago.
+17:46 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: ack
+17:47 <@quantumsummers> i have 3 cats at the moment, good ones
+17:47 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, I married a family too :)
+17:48 <@quantumsummers> kids are fun, will have a gentoo-powered monitoring system up by sept
+17:48 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway - bact to the agenda
+17:48 <@quantumsummers> yes
+17:48 <@quantumsummers> so, I think I have covered most things on the list ... I have an attorney here that I ahve worked with for 6 years on call if we need
+17:49 <@quantumsummers> I did take care of the trademark thing, and I did hear back from Fenwick people finally
+17:49 <@quantumsummers> Question:
+17:49 <@quantumsummers> Do we want to have them take care of these things in the future/
+17:49 <@quantumsummers> ?
+17:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do we have a contract with a CPA ? You were authorised to set something up for 18 months or so
+17:49 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I have the paperwork in place.
+17:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, are they still pro bono for us ?
+17:50 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will discuss that, they are still the attorney of record
+17:50 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, what about adding corp to missouri?
+17:50 <@quantumsummers> dabbott have not done that yet. Was planning that next week, early
+17:50 <@quantumsummers> I have my office as our location outside of NM on the NM filings
+17:50 <@quantumsummers> using my PO box as well
+17:50 <@dabbott> is all the new mexico stuff done ?
+17:51 <@quantumsummers> so, we should get mail
+17:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have a 501c3 file date estimate ?
+17:52 <@quantumsummers> dabbott I have not filed the annual report yet, just got it. Had a question, got my answer on Friday. Will file next week
+17:52 <@quantumsummers> most likely on Tuesday
+17:52 <@quantumsummers> $25 fee
+17:52 <@quantumsummers> will write a check (checque)
+17:52 <@quantumsummers> err, ya know what I mean
+17:52 <@quantumsummers> cheque
+17:52 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe
+17:53 <@quantumsummers> so, things are moving along rather smoothly I think. I feel comfortable estimating mid August to file as long as the CPA is fine with everything.
+17:53 <@NeddySeagoon> That sound a good - in time for our EGM on 21st of August
+17:53 <@quantumsummers> I would like to have an attorney review a few things. I will attempt to get that pro bono or informally first.
+17:53 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+17:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do you have any more ?
+17:54 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will give it my all to make it before the AGM
+17:54 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I cannot think of anything right now.
+17:54 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, I think you should concentrate on the financial matters and delegate the secretary duties, don't be afraid to ask
+17:54 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, your turn on the SSL Options
+17:54 <@quantumsummers> dabbott I would prefer that, I think.
+17:55 <@robbat2> i'm still pending a response from digicert as to what renewal T&C would be, and ability to expand to more certs if we need them
+17:55 <@robbat2> the key difference thus far
+17:56 <@robbat2> seems to be that digicert would be handling certs outside of their normal process (vs startcom/cacert where it would have been entirely in their normal process)
+17:56 <@robbat2> so no news
+17:56 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: what happened with Comodo?
+17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, what about the intrusion into your personal data ?
+17:57 <@robbat2> oops, my brainfart. s/digicert/comodo/ above
+17:57 <@quantumsummers> kk
+17:57 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, that was startcom, and one of the reasons we didn't go with them
+17:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, thanks - I'm fine with that
+17:57 <@quantumsummers> Comodo is better?
+17:58 <@robbat2> they haven't asked for any of my personal data
+17:58 <@robbat2> just links to our corp filing stuff
+17:58 <@quantumsummers> cool. if you need anything from me as signatory, please lemme know
+17:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs
+17:58 <@quantumsummers> ^Foundation signatory
+17:59 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think there is anything to go through this month. Does anyone want to say anything about our open bugs ?
+17:59 <@quantumsummers> everyone that I am aware of that needed payment has been paid
+18:00 <@robbat2> it would be nice to get some of the artwork licensing bugs closed
+18:00 <@quantumsummers> yes i agree
+18:00 <@dabbott> bug 369185
+18:00 <@quantumsummers> also, 327859 (battery) can be closed
+18:00 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo should be licensed under "CC-BY-SA/2.5 or CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0" and declared as such explicitly (2 places)"; Website www.gentoo.org, Graphics; IN_P; sping:trustees
+18:01 <@robbat2> ok, on that, I'd like to explain something re the CCPL
+18:01 <@robbat2> for the record
+18:01 <@robbat2> (it was already in the recent emails)
+18:01 <@NeddySeagoon> go ahead robbat2
+18:01 <@robbat2> CCPL-Sampling-Plus, as a license
+18:01 <@robbat2> covers two things:
+18:02 <@robbat2> 1. for the original work, unmodified only: CC-NC-SA
+18:02 <@robbat2> 2. for any derived/transformed works: CC-BY-SA
+18:02 <@robbat2> this means:
+18:03 <@robbat2> 1. we need a seperate explicit commercial permission granting mechanism to allow commercial use of the g logo
+18:04 <@robbat2> 2. commercial use of the derived works is not blocked at all
+18:04 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we already have 1.
+18:04 <@NeddySeagoon> 2 is bad
+18:04 <@robbat2> why do you think #2 there is bad?
+18:05 <@quantumsummers> we should be able to license the use of our trademark for a fee, imo.
+18:06 <@quantumsummers> not that peeps are beating down the door or anything
+18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Because someone could make a derived work from the G logo and sell it. Its not clear to me how the Logo usage guidelines would apply to derived works, if at all
+18:06 <@robbat2> derived is a really large spectrum
+18:06 <@rich0> Yup, changing a pixel is probably a derived work.
+18:06 <@NeddySeagoon> derived means recognisable as our logo
+18:06 <@rich0> Unless the license spells it out.
+18:07 <@robbat2> the wording in the actual license is that it must be creatively transformed
+18:07 <@robbat2> does one pixel count as creative?
+18:07 <@rich0> In that case, likely no.
+18:07 <@rich0> Unless it is in /just/ the right place. :)
+18:07 <@robbat2> now what happens in the case of re-rendering from the blender sources w/ different lighting?
+18:07 <@robbat2> it's a morass
+18:07 <@NeddySeagoon> then its a dropped bit
+18:08 <@rich0> My general concern with CCPL-Sampling-Plus is that I'm not sure it was really created for trademark purposes.
+18:08 -!- mattst88 [~mattst88@gentoo/developer/mattst88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
+18:08 <@NeddySeagoon> that depends on how well our registered logo is defined
+18:08 <@robbat2> there is nothing for trademark purposes that I can find
+18:08 <@robbat2> perhaps more insightful is what Ubuntu has done
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+18:09 <@NeddySeagoon> with two logos ?
+18:09 <@robbat2> no, they have no license statement on their logos at all, and just have this instead: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
+18:09 <@rich0> Debian does something similar.
+18:10 <@rich0> They have the two logos, but again they don't try to license them under CC/etc, but instead just have a policy spelled out that is specific to the trademark.
+18:10 <@quantumsummers> I tend to like that, further Debian has excellent legal council
+18:11 <@dabbott> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/trademarks/
+18:11 <@rich0> I suspect that something like this is probably better than trying to get a copyright-license designed to promote sharing to fit a trademark where it must be carefully controlled.
+18:11 <@quantumsummers> (another reason to take advantage of that ML I mentioned earlier)
+18:11 <@rich0> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
+18:11 <@rich0> In fact, the policy for Ubuntu is itself CC licensed so we can even copy/paste it if we attribute them.
+18:12 <@quantumsummers> ubuntu is based in EU, no?
+18:12 <@quantumsummers> Canonical, I mean
+18:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't know
+18:13 <@NeddySeagoon> it looks like we should reconsider our logo licence then
+18:14 <@robbat2> http://www.canonical.com/legal <-- UK
+18:15 <@robbat2> regardless of what we do in terms of a decision, reading and trying to understand all of this has lead me to think that we need to come up with a couple of common cases and explicitly document them for users wanting to do artwork
+18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds like a plan
+18:16 <@quantumsummers> maybe sping can help with that :D
+18:16 <@robbat2> my personal opinion for the license decision itself, is to stick with CCPL, and word it on our page as substantially transformed
+18:16 <@NeddySeagoon> well, maybe he can suggest some use cases
+18:17 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: sounds reasonable
+18:17 <@NeddySeagoon> substantially sounds a bit vague
+18:18 <@robbat2> but i'm less concerned with protecting our trademark, I don't think the problem is anywhere near as large as perceived by other trustees
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, do you have a suggested form of words ?
+18:18 <@robbat2> i was going to do it via the use case examples actually
+18:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Hmm. OK. So we need to poke sping.
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> any mre on bugs ?
+18:19 <@robbat2> not from me
+18:19 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, ask that ML meanwhile please?
+18:19 <@quantumsummers> the phrase "substantive alteration" has some legal precendent
+18:19 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: good idea
+18:19 <@quantumsummers> full ack
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business
+18:19 <@NeddySeagoon> New Masterdistfiles Machine
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Is there a spec yet ?
+18:20 <@robbat2> it's darkside's agenda item, and he's not here this weekend
+18:20 <@robbat2> i haven't seen a spec
+18:20 <@quantumsummers> Nor have I
+18:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we ask the company that offered us DNS for such a server ?
+18:20 <@quantumsummers> I wonder if this could be fit into the quad node I have suggested (maybe not due to disk requirements)
+18:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I still owe them a reply
+18:21 <@quantumsummers> Cannot hurt to suggest such an idea
+18:22 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, if you're going to write said reply, infra is open to more hardware w/ hosting in general
+18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to write back and say we could use such and such a box ...
+18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok, I'll make it general then
+18:22 <@robbat2> the one catch w/ masterdistfiles
+18:22 <@robbat2> is that specific box needs to live at OSL
+18:22 <@robbat2> due to the mirror infrastructure
+18:22 <@quantumsummers> kk, noted
+18:22 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:22 <@robbat2> so asking any sponsors for that box probably won't fly
+18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> yep
+18:23 <@robbat2> since most of them have retained ownership & possesion of their hardware
+18:23 <@NeddySeagoon> understood
+18:23 <@quantumsummers> my 0.02 USD is that we should purchase some useful HW to live at osuosl
+18:24 <@robbat2> agreed, just somebody with more time than me needs to put those specs/request together
+18:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm not against that idea
+18:24 <@robbat2> which is hopefully darkside
+18:24 <@quantumsummers> also, a consideration: I might be able to score us a cabinet lease in my data center
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> that brings us to cleanup
+18:25 <@quantumsummers> for cheapish
+18:25 <@NeddySeagoon> DoNM 21 Aug
+18:25 <@quantumsummers> fine by me
+18:25 <@robbat2> 20% chance I won't make it, but otherwise fine
+18:25 <@dabbott> fine here
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ?
+18:26 <@rich0> also 20% chance of not being able to make it, but likely fine
+18:26 <@robbat2> (i'm volunteering at something the night before the meeting, and depends how quickly we get wrapped up, could be anywhere 2-5am before I get home)
+18:26 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like a hell of a party :)
+18:27 <@rich0> I have a family vacation around then, but will likely not have an issue attending unless I'm behind the wheel.
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we move the meeting a week ?
+18:27 <@robbat2> it's also immediately after LinuxCon, so i was planning on inviting some of that crowd out to the party
+18:27 <@rich0> If anything I suspect that moving it earlier will only increase the risk of my not making it, but uncertain.
+18:27 <@dabbott> lets put it off for 1 week
+18:27 <@NeddySeagoon> IS the 14th Aug better ?
+18:27 <@robbat2> moving it either direction decreases my chance
+18:27 <@robbat2> i say we just go for the 21st
+18:28 <@dabbott> ok
+18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, 21st it is then
+18:28 <@quantumsummers> wfm
+18:28 <@rich0> Sounds good
+18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other Business ?
+18:28 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ?
+18:28 <@robbat2> no AoB from me
+18:28 <@rich0> I was just going to mention that per my manifesto I do intend to create a compliance checklist of sorts for the foundation.
+18:29 <@robbat2> +1
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, sounds good
+18:29 <@rich0> Nothing to communicate here, but perhaps stay tuned on the -nfp list.
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ?
+18:29 <@dabbott> rich0, super
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> none from me.
+18:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you always have sounething
+18:29 <@quantumsummers> not this time
+18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs
+18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> and email sping
+18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that leaves yu the montions :)
+18:30 <@dabbott> I will update the agenda, no motions :)
+18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, shoul we dust off thr secretart ad that you responded to ?
+18:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +d
+18:31 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, +1
+18:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if thats the office you would like to vacate most
+18:32 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think so. Just need to insure that the person is responsible as they will have legal authority
+18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, We made a good choice with yourself ...
+18:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ...
+18:32 <@quantumsummers> Thanks NeddySeagoon
+18:33 * NeddySeagoon silently bangs the virtual gavel to close the meeting
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+Aug 21 15:04:44 <quantumsummers> 1> Roll Call
+Aug 21 15:04:49 * quantumsummers is present
+Aug 21 15:04:51 <dabbott> here
+Aug 21 15:05:00 <rich0> here
+Aug 21 15:05:20 <quantumsummers> robbat2: you are here
+Aug 21 15:05:42 <quantumsummers> 2> who is logging and going to publish?
+Aug 21 15:05:45 <robbat2> here
+Aug 21 15:05:50 <quantumsummers> :)
+Aug 21 15:06:00 <quantumsummers> 2> who is logging and going to publish?
+Aug 21 15:06:06 <dabbott> i can
+Aug 21 15:06:09 <quantumsummers> thanks
+Aug 21 15:06:20 <quantumsummers> 3> Treasurer's report
+Aug 21 15:06:53 <quantumsummers> I have submitted this report with a minor mis-calculation for review
+Aug 21 15:07:24 <quantumsummers> Further, I will make all data available in a few formats for archival and informational purposes
+Aug 21 15:07:39 <quantumsummers> what I have is the following: all paypal data for all time in csv and ods
+Aug 21 15:07:57 <quantumsummers> all capital one statements in pdf and ods
+Aug 21 15:08:05 <quantumsummers> all ing statements in pdf and ods
+Aug 21 15:08:12 <quantumsummers> that covers all our accounts
+Aug 21 15:08:21 <robbat2> +1
+Aug 21 15:08:50 <dabbott> can you post a report with links like http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2010-treasurer-report.xml
+Aug 21 15:09:16 <dabbott> we can add it to http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/
+Aug 21 15:09:32 <quantumsummers> dabbott I can do that. I wondered about the format
+Aug 21 15:09:53 <quantumsummers> what was done previously is more of a narrative
+Aug 21 15:10:03 <quantumsummers> I can write the report in narrative form I suppose
+Aug 21 15:10:11 <quantumsummers> as well as keeping the data tabular
+Aug 21 15:10:31 <rich0> Honestly, I'd probably just write an intro or whatever. The data speaks for itself. No sense burdening ourselves with too much boilerplate.
+Aug 21 15:10:33 <dabbott> just so we can find the info, main think is links to the pdf etc in one place
+Aug 21 15:10:57 <quantumsummers> rich0: makes sense, something of an executive summary
+Aug 21 15:11:14 <quantumsummers> dabbott I will guildexml-ify the info in the pdf
+Aug 21 15:11:31 <quantumsummers> that was just for ease of access for you guys to review
+Aug 21 15:11:40 <quantumsummers> that I emailed in that format
+Aug 21 15:12:37 <quantumsummers> there is a known error somewhere in there. I have not had much luck in tracking it down. Its small by comparison, so I am not terribly troubled by it
+Aug 21 15:14:21 <robbat2> FYI all, i'm intending on producing a copy of the data into the Ledger format to reconcile it and give it my own set of eyes
+Aug 21 15:14:32 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks
+Aug 21 15:14:36 <robbat2> from the original statements + paypal data
+Aug 21 15:14:49 <dabbott> we will need a motion to accept the report but need to link to it so we can do that next month
+Aug 21 15:14:54 <quantumsummers> I have a python script that may help the paypal conversion to ofx
+Aug 21 15:15:46 <quantumsummers> I propose a motion to provisionally accept the report as it stands with the addition of a summary and correction of the minor error as work in progress
+Aug 21 15:15:56 <robbat2> seconded
+Aug 21 15:15:59 <quantumsummers> and xml-ification
+Aug 21 15:16:08 <quantumsummers> Please vote, gentlemen
+Aug 21 15:16:13 <robbat2> aye
+Aug 21 15:16:17 <quantumsummers> aye
+Aug 21 15:16:27 <rich0> aye
+Aug 21 15:16:28 <dabbott> ok
+Aug 21 15:16:39 <quantumsummers> Motion has passed. Let it be so.
+Aug 21 15:17:00 <quantumsummers> 3> Special Motion to move the AGM from April to August
+Aug 21 15:17:37 <quantumsummers> keeping the same 3rd Sunday of the month
+Aug 21 15:17:40 <robbat2> to clarify, this means the next AGM will be august 2012, or is it this present august
+Aug 21 15:17:53 <quantumsummers> Next
+Aug 21 15:17:58 <quantumsummers> we already had our AGM this year
+Aug 21 15:18:23 <quantumsummers> this meeting is an extraordinary general meeting, in addition to the previous AGM
+Aug 21 15:18:36 <dabbott> the by-lays state not more than 13 months Why not have the AGM today and then again next Aug to satisfy Section 3.2. in the by-laws. http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/BylawsAdopted.xml#doc_chap3
+Aug 21 15:18:58 <quantumsummers> Yes, that is what we are doing with the EGM
+Aug 21 15:19:01 <rich0> Is there any issue of meeting notice? Do we have to announce it?
+Aug 21 15:19:25 <dabbott> quantumsummers, great :)
+Aug 21 15:19:35 <quantumsummers> rich0: we already did, I belive
+Aug 21 15:19:42 <quantumsummers> we announce every meeting
+Aug 21 15:19:45 <robbat2> right, i see it now. since the EGM is today, and it's only 12 months to next August, that covers the bylaws
+Aug 21 15:19:48 <rich0> Yeah, I was trying to remember if I had seen something. It is in IRC for sure.
+Aug 21 15:20:19 <robbat2> I second the motion
+Aug 21 15:20:19 <quantumsummers> rich0: it would be fine to also post to ML (foundation-announce)
+Aug 21 15:20:26 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks
+Aug 21 15:20:33 <quantumsummers> Please vote now:
+Aug 21 15:20:40 <robbat2> aye
+Aug 21 15:20:41 <rich0> aye
+Aug 21 15:20:42 <quantumsummers> aye
+Aug 21 15:20:47 <dabbott> yes
+Aug 21 15:20:56 <quantumsummers> Motion passed, Let it be so.
+Aug 21 15:21:11 <quantumsummers> Therefore, the next AGM will be held in August 2012
+Aug 21 15:21:33 <quantumsummers> the exact date to be decided and announced
+Aug 21 15:21:38 <quantumsummers> at a later date
+Aug 21 15:21:58 <quantumsummers> 4.1> Date of Next Meeting - 18th Sep 2011 19:00 UTC
+Aug 21 15:22:02 <quantumsummers> wfm
+Aug 21 15:22:19 <quantumsummers> fellows, will that date and time work for everyone?
+Aug 21 15:22:31 <dabbott> fine here
+Aug 21 15:22:31 <rich0> fine by me
+Aug 21 15:22:37 <robbat2> fine by me
+Aug 21 15:22:37 <quantumsummers> robbat2?
+Aug 21 15:22:40 <quantumsummers> ok.
+Aug 21 15:22:55 <quantumsummers> the date of our next meeting is set: 18th Sep 2011 19:00 UTC
+Aug 21 15:23:19 <quantumsummers> Lets take care of 4.3 ahead of 4.2
+Aug 21 15:23:48 <quantumsummers> Responsibilities: are they covered? Logs and Motions?-> dabbott?
+Aug 21 15:23:57 <quantumsummers> I will post the report
+Aug 21 15:23:58 <dabbott> yep I got it
+Aug 21 15:24:01 <quantumsummers> no emails to send
+Aug 21 15:24:16 <quantumsummers> Excellent, thanks dabbott
+Aug 21 15:24:16 <robbat2> 2 motions so far to for the motions page
+Aug 21 15:24:22 <quantumsummers> yes
+Aug 21 15:24:42 <dabbott> robbat2, noted :)
+Aug 21 15:24:42 <quantumsummers> 4.4 Any Other Business:
+Aug 21 15:24:46 <robbat2> (fyi, i just noticed we have 'any other business' twice on the agenda)
+Aug 21 15:24:54 <quantumsummers> as did I :)
+Aug 21 15:24:57 <robbat2> yes, we have AoB
+Aug 21 15:24:57 <quantumsummers> I have one item
+Aug 21 15:25:00 <rich0> Just one item for me
+Aug 21 15:25:12 <quantumsummers> lets hear it
+Aug 21 15:25:24 <quantumsummers> robbat2: you first (fifo)
+Aug 21 15:25:36 <robbat2> i suspect we're all on the same item actually
+Aug 21 15:25:40 <robbat2> the new turkey vendor email
+Aug 21 15:26:37 <robbat2> The vendor in question, Penguenci.com Destek, is a non-profit turkish CD/DVD vendor
+Aug 21 15:26:43 <robbat2> http://www.penguenci.com/dukkan/index.php?route=product/manufacturer&manufacturer_id=39
+Aug 21 15:27:14 <quantumsummers> I do not see any issues.
+Aug 21 15:27:29 <rich0> If I'm reading that site the CDs are sold for about $3, which certainly seems to be close to cost (plus handling/etc).
+Aug 21 15:27:39 <robbat2> their pricing is very cheap, 6 Turkish Lira is ~3.30USD, yes
+Aug 21 15:27:53 <quantumsummers> I cannot read the site at all really
+Aug 21 15:28:07 <robbat2> and they are up to date, 11.2 is on there already
+Aug 21 15:28:23 <rich0> Seems fine to me.
+Aug 21 15:28:33 <quantumsummers> Motion: Approve Penguenci.com Destek as official vendor.
+Aug 21 15:28:37 <robbat2> seconded
+Aug 21 15:28:37 <rich0> seconded
+Aug 21 15:28:41 <rich0> aye
+Aug 21 15:28:43 <quantumsummers> Please vote
+Aug 21 15:28:43 <robbat2> aye
+Aug 21 15:28:47 <quantumsummers> aye
+Aug 21 15:28:47 <dabbott> yes
+Aug 21 15:29:01 <quantumsummers> Motion passed.
+Aug 21 15:29:15 <quantumsummers> rich0: what is your item, same one?
+Aug 21 15:29:23 <robbat2> i'll add the vendor to the relevant page
+Aug 21 15:29:23 <rich0> Nope
+Aug 21 15:29:29 <rich0> Just a quickie
+Aug 21 15:29:29 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks
+Aug 21 15:29:31 <dabbott> robbat2, ok
+Aug 21 15:29:34 <rich0> Just a quick note to all to take a look at: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/secretary/activities/activity_tracker.xml
+Aug 21 15:29:35 <rich0> Feel free to contribute or to create new activity pages for anything you have close knowledge of. Consider everything there draft for now so apologies if I get roles/responsibilities wrong/etc.
+Aug 21 15:30:24 <rich0> And feel free to send me notes to clean up and add.
+Aug 21 15:30:27 <rich0> That's all.
+Aug 21 15:30:31 <quantumsummers> rich0: the last Annual Report - New Mexico filing was 2010/10
+Aug 21 15:30:55 <rich0> Excellent, thanks.
+Aug 21 15:31:14 <rich0> Oh, did we file in Missouri yet?
+Aug 21 15:31:26 <rich0> If so we have an annual report coming due.
+Aug 21 15:31:33 <quantumsummers> not yet, that is pending legal review of our by laws
+Aug 21 15:31:41 <quantumsummers> yes, I have the report to submit already
+Aug 21 15:31:46 <quantumsummers> its complete
+Aug 21 15:31:47 <rich0> Ok, I'd hold off until September in any case.
+Aug 21 15:32:02 <quantumsummers> ok. anything else rich0?
+Aug 21 15:32:08 <rich0> nope, that's all for me.
+Aug 21 15:32:16 <quantumsummers> oh, change the annual meeting on there
+Aug 21 15:32:18 <quantumsummers> :)
+Aug 21 15:32:24 <quantumsummers> I have one item.
+Aug 21 15:33:27 <quantumsummers> I would like to submit an application for partnership with Calxeda, who is producing some very interesting ARM tech for servers. I have another dev, Dr. Anthony Basile, on board as PI.
+Aug 21 15:34:01 <quantumsummers> info is here http://calxeda.com/partners.php
+Aug 21 15:34:28 <quantumsummers> canonical is on board as a distro, I would like Gentoo to be there too
+Aug 21 15:34:40 <robbat2> any costs to us?
+Aug 21 15:34:46 <quantumsummers> main tech is ~120 4-core nodes in a 2U case
+Aug 21 15:34:58 <quantumsummers> robbat2: not that I am aware of. the HW is free
+Aug 21 15:35:05 <robbat2> that sounds similar to a crowd that tried MIPS stuff
+Aug 21 15:35:15 <robbat2> ok, i have no objections then
+Aug 21 15:35:24 <quantumsummers> yes, they ran gentoo in a mips hpc cluster
+Aug 21 15:35:34 <quantumsummers> up in boston/cambridge
+Aug 21 15:35:50 <robbat2> * SiCortex
+Aug 21 15:35:55 <quantumsummers> yes
+Aug 21 15:36:00 <rich0> Do we have support from the ARM arch team, or others as needed?
+Aug 21 15:36:25 <quantumsummers> have not contacted anyone, blueness has the requisite experience
+Aug 21 15:36:30 <rich0> If Anthony is taking the lead from the dev side that is probably sufficient / etc.
+Aug 21 15:36:31 <quantumsummers> and interest
+Aug 21 15:36:41 <rich0> Yup, just wanted to make sure that it had backing.
+Aug 21 15:36:52 <robbat2> the arm folk will be interested in the build abilities of that hardware
+Aug 21 15:36:53 <quantumsummers> he and I will team up on this, at minimum. others are welcome
+Aug 21 15:37:03 <quantumsummers> robbat2: I bet you are right
+Aug 21 15:37:15 <quantumsummers> there are 2 variants of partnership
+Aug 21 15:37:15 <robbat2> as that beats the Kirkwood board I run for them presently
+Aug 21 15:37:18 <rich0> So, what exactly is Gentoo doing (just curious - seems great).
+Aug 21 15:37:26 <quantumsummers> one is you get your own system, the other is remote access
+Aug 21 15:38:11 <quantumsummers> rich0: blueness and I are interested in porting hardened, for one. Also looking into message passing (one of my interests) via rabbitmq.
+Aug 21 15:38:26 <quantumsummers> we are working up the proposal currently
+Aug 21 15:38:48 <quantumsummers> wanted to make sure it was cool with the board before putting in a ton of effort
+Aug 21 15:38:59 <robbat2> +1 from me
+Aug 21 15:39:02 <dabbott> fine by me, have fun
+Aug 21 15:39:17 <rich0> Sounds good to me - Gentoo is perfect if you ask me for these kinds of trailblazing applications.
+Aug 21 15:39:33 <quantumsummers> robbat2: as another potential there is ZT systems, they have a nice 8 node 2-core 1U system but its expensive
+Aug 21 15:39:42 <quantumsummers> rich0: I agree completely
+Aug 21 15:40:06 <quantumsummers> blueness wants to contact them as well
+Aug 21 15:40:43 <quantumsummers> their system is $20K, so we would have to get a massive discount and financial assistance from somewhere for that to be possible
+Aug 21 15:40:59 <quantumsummers> in any case, this is just a start. thanks for the support
+Aug 21 15:41:07 <rich0> So, what is the 5 words or less description of Gentoo for the logo? :)
+Aug 21 15:41:35 <rich0> (no need to settle that now)
+Aug 21 15:41:45 <quantumsummers> not sure
+Aug 21 15:41:52 <rich0> Gentoo - We Supply the Clues
+Aug 21 15:41:56 <quantumsummers> heh
+Aug 21 15:42:01 <robbat2> lol
+Aug 21 15:42:39 <quantumsummers> ok, any other items for AOB?
+Aug 21 15:43:51 <dabbott> none here
+Aug 21 15:44:12 <quantumsummers> goin once
+Aug 21 15:44:15 <quantumsummers> twice
+Aug 21 15:44:20 <quantumsummers> three times a lady
+Aug 21 15:44:28 <quantumsummers> 4.5 Open floor
+Aug 21 15:44:50 <quantumsummers> anyone interested in voicing their ideas and opinions, please speak now
+Aug 21 15:45:13 <quantumsummers> I do hope that Roy is ok. Not like him to miss a meeting.
+Aug 21 15:45:16 * rich0 listens eagerly to the crickets...
+Aug 21 15:45:37 <quantumsummers> well then... going once
+Aug 21 15:45:58 <quantumsummers> going twice for open floor - have your voice heard here!
+Aug 21 15:46:04 <quantumsummers> ...
+Aug 21 15:46:07 <quantumsummers> ...
+Aug 21 15:46:07 <robbat2> none for me
+Aug 21 15:46:21 <quantumsummers> thrice gone
+Aug 21 15:46:37 <quantumsummers> and the floor is closed.
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+20:01 * bluebottle bangs the gavel to call the September meeting to order
+20:01 <@bluebottle> roll call
+20:01 <@dabbott> here
+20:02 <@bluebottle> I'm on my netbook as my main box just locked up
+20:02 <@quantumsummers> present
+20:02 <@bluebottle> quantumsummers, robbat2
+20:02 <@rich0> here
+20:03 <@bluebottle> robbat2,
+20:03 <@bluebottle> OK lets start ... would someone else like to chair?
+20:03 <@robbat2> hi
+20:03 <@bluebottle> 1024x800 is a bit cramped
+20:03 <@robbat2> just in time :-)
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> bluebottle: I can chair, if you like.
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks. My main box just decided to speak to me
+20:05 <@quantumsummers> it happens ;)
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Whos logging ? I am
+20:05 <@robbat2> my logs are always on
+20:05 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon, for logging.
+20:05 <@quantumsummers> 3) Old business.
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> carry on quantumsummers you have the chair
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> Looks like its me. :)
+20:06 * NeddySeagoon passes the gavel
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> thanks
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> ok, 1.) Financials
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> 1.1 robbat2 still need send you the files for archival
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> 1.2 working on xml-ing the report
+20:07 <@robbat2> yeah, also I wanted to see about Ledger format for them (for anonymized publication)
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: right, that is fine. We do need to redact the hell out of the paypalfiles
+20:08 <@quantumsummers> that is trivial, mostly
+20:08 < darkside_> ls
+20:08 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: hmm?
+20:09 < darkside_> sorry
+20:09 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:09 <@quantumsummers> \np
+20:09 <@quantumsummers> 2. SFLC
+20:09 <@robbat2> re that really quickly, the best form I came up with is replacing it with [paypal-user-$TIMESTAMP], so correlations (publishing patterns of the same person) can be avoided
+20:09 <@quantumsummers> replacing what exactly?
+20:10 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
+20:10 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, their name in the Ledger source
+20:10 <@robbat2> anyway, reso later
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I see. Why not strip it before converting to Ledger?
+20:10 <@robbat2> i'll show you later
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> 2. SFLC nothing to report.
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to make each and every paypal transaction public? We need to keep traceability internally. Is a periodic total adequate ?
+20:11 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, i was going to publish the anonymized Ledger files to show complete accounting history for us, just makes it easier to trace bugs
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, OK. I was looking to minimise the workload
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> we are not technically required to post any data beyond the reports, at least by any law in the US
+20:12 <@robbat2> i have build scripts for ledgers ;-)
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> cool
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that sounds pretty minimal then
+20:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, next item, CPA
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> 3. CPA: they should be finished preparing this years filings in the next week or so for our review.
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> will they be billing us ?
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> so, I'll pass that around before I sign it
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, after everything is filed we will be invoiced
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Good - like a proper business
+20:14 <@quantumsummers> I expect the bill in mid October
+20:14 <@rich0> Will that completely catch us up?
+20:14 <@quantumsummers> we can take awhile to pay with a 1% finance fee if we need (not necessary from my POV)
+20:15 <@quantumsummers> rich0: we shall see. I am optimistic that everything is in order.
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> We should pay our bills on time - no need to incurr interest on the invoice
+20:15 <@rich0> wonderful!
+20:15 <@quantumsummers> Since we were able to get quite a few years of data to them, there were no real issues
+20:15 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I agree
+20:15 <@rich0> Agreed - no sense financing with our present situation unless you tell me the bills is $40k or something crazy.
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats all the history we need for 501c3 too ?
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that is what I have been told
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> we have paypal back to the beginning
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats a huge milestone. Well done
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> Thanks. It was a huge pain to download all that stuff.
+20:16 <@rich0> Yes - a very nice turn of events.
+20:17 <@quantumsummers> CPA was happy with the data
+20:17 <@quantumsummers> they are working with it, minimal questions so far
+20:17 <@quantumsummers> ok, so that is CPA
+20:17 <@quantumsummers> 4) 1023
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> The CPA needs to get this out of the way before progressing 501c3 ?
+20:18 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no
+20:18 <@quantumsummers> but it will all be done about the same time
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah , ok
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> I have lucked out and gotten a couple of attorneys that I am working with to bolster our bylaws
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> they are working pro bono for the soncult
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> *consult
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> we need a bunch of additional legalese
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> apparently
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> its mostly boiler plate
+20:20 <@quantumsummers> my wife and I are working on some of the descriptive narrative still
+20:20 <@quantumsummers> Haven't had as much time as I had hoped due to deadlines with work.
+20:21 <@quantumsummers> In any case, it will be ready soon enough
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to have the membership vote on it or is its a case its 'must have' so there is nothing to vote on ?
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> Much of it is required. There is no technical reason to have the membership vote.
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> That keeps it simplle - I'm all for that
+20:22 <@rich0> I'd recommend posting the proposed new bylaws to -nfp for openness.
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> We will need to ratify the document, however. Then I will sign it
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> rich0: Ok. not a problem.
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> They will be published as part of the public record regardless
+20:23 <@rich0> In the likely event that there are no strong opinions then we'll just move forward.
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> Alright. Sounds fine.
+20:23 <@rich0> Just trying to keep the community spirit - avoid bureaucracy but not openness.
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, The bylaws require that we notify the members before changes come into force - so it will go the -foundation-announce list but no harm in brining it to the attention of prospective menbers too
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I agree completely, I believe the spirit is secured
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> I think of the material being added like function decorators in python.
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe
+20:25 <@rich0> Agreed
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll wait until I read it.
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> any further questions for me?
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Not from me
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> 1..2..3..moving on
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> Mr. Robin robbat2 Johnson
+20:26 <@robbat2> yes?
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> Please update us on the SSL, good sir.
+20:26 <@robbat2> ah, SSL
+20:27 <@robbat2> no response from any of the vendors to my questions re PII or wildcards
+20:27 <@robbat2> i think all of them are in a holding pattern re the current state of the CA world
+20:27 <@robbat2> it's a house of cards that's coming down
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> Its that bad?
+20:27 <@rich0> I was going to suggest that we could probably get a really good rate from DigiNotar.
+20:28 <@robbat2> i think it's going get even worse
+20:28 <@rich0> It would only be somewhat less useless than cacert. :)
+20:28 <@robbat2> several things need to happen to improve the state of affairs
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, care to summarise the issues ?
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: in that case, we may need to take some precautions of our own.
+20:28 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, basically, the guy that did DigiNotar in also claims to have hit several other CAs
+20:28 <@robbat2> whom have mostly denied it
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks
+20:29 <@robbat2> but so did DigiNotar at first
+20:29 <@robbat2> anyway, the potential improvements:
+20:30 <@robbat2> option a) CA centralization as we know it goes away, and gets replaced w/ something like Notaries/Perspectives (large-scale polling of the correctness of a cert)
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> like the key signing web of trust ?
+20:30 <@robbat2> option b) multiple things to patch up the current CA stuff: DNSSEC, HTTP cert pinning, DNS cert pinning
+20:30 <@robbat2> not really
+20:31 <@rich0> So, are we suggesting that we have any influence over any of this? Or, are we stuck going with the flow until it either collapses or somebody manages to get everybody to support certs in DNSSEC records?
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I'll read up on it. No point in using meeting time to educate me
+20:32 <@rich0> My sense is that despite all its warts the CA system is what currently exists, and so we have to go with it at least a little longer.
+20:32 <@robbat2> i'm going to pursue what is available under option B for now
+20:32 <@rich0> Now, I'm all for having the distro try to get new technologies adopted.
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Is there any point in moving until the dust settles ?
+20:33 <@robbat2> but I suggest that everybody installs perspectives/notaries in their browsers
+20:33 <@robbat2> it looks likely that Chrome will have perspectives built in sometime in the very near future
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> interesting
+20:33 <@robbat2> there's just one design issue being worked out
+20:34 <@robbat2> option a) is entirely client-side for fixes, so I can't force it
+20:35 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, in terms of talking to CA's, i'll continue when they respond to me
+20:35 <@robbat2> attacking the problem from as many angles as possible
+20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok
+20:35 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: would it be worthwhile to approach thawte?
+20:36 <@robbat2> not really
+20:37 <@robbat2> anyway, that's all on SSL from me
+20:37 <@robbat2> i need to vanish for a sec for my wife, brb ~5-10
+20:38 <@quantumsummers> alright.
+20:38 <@quantumsummers> lets move to rich0's Tracker
+20:38 <@rich0> Ok
+20:38 <@rich0> So, the main page is actually fairly good at this point. It reflects reality (I think), and the next due column should be considered a useful reference.
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+20:39 <@rich0> Maybe I'll re-sort it by the next-due date for at-a-glance reference.
+20:39 <@rich0> The next real improvement would be adding in the individual activity pages so that they are useful as a reference - a 990 for dummies page, etc.
+20:40 <@quantumsummers> rich0: for certain action items, I would love to see who has taken the responsibility for the task included somewhere.
+20:40 <@rich0> Now, that doesn't have to mean how to do a 990 from scratch. 990 for dummies might be gather a,b,c and send to CPA.
+20:40 <@rich0> quantumsummers, yes, the Who column at the front is a big gap - missed that.
+20:40 <@rich0> Is that something we can quickly build consensus on here?
+20:40 <@quantumsummers> probably not without Robin
+20:41 <@quantumsummers> for the entirety
+20:41 <@rich0> Ok, then I can send something out in email to get it moving. Maybe I'll throw out a proposal and see what all say.
+20:41 <@quantumsummers> sounds great
+20:41 <@quantumsummers> thanks rich0
+20:41 <@rich0> I did actually get a compliment from drobbins on the whole thing.
+20:41 <@dabbott> thanks rich0
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> The who should be the office holder
+20:42 <@rich0> Agreed
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> office title*
+20:42 <@rich0> Actually, I'll probably just post the title
+20:42 <@rich0> yes
+20:42 <@rich0> Treasurer, secretary, president, etc
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> as far as documenting the standard operating procedures (i.e. what to do for 990), that is really a great idea
+20:42 <@rich0> yes - I can go ahead and create more skeleton pages like the two out there, but I'll need to rely on others to provide the details.
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If we hire a CPA to make the submissions we don't need a HOWTO
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I can provide the details on much of that stuff.
+20:43 <@rich0> Well, the howto could be just a list of docs we need to provide to the CPA, how much lead time they need, and so on.
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: need a howto to get the correct info to the COA
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes - good one
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> in case I am hit by th ebus
+20:43 <@rich0> Basically if a meteor strike takes out all trustees this will help the next generation.
+20:43 <@rich0> Assuming they have a working internet.
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> lets hope this does not come to pass, but prepare for it anyway
+20:44 <@rich0> Oh, and the other thing the howtos will state is what to publish where for openness.
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> yep
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> yep
+20:44 <@rich0> So basically it lets anybody audit us, and that means we're less likely to miss something.
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> *cough* excellent use of a wiki **
+20:44 <@rich0> There we go - gentoo-wiki. :)
+20:44 * rich0 ducks
+20:45 <@quantumsummers> rich0: anything further?
+20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - it would be a start
+20:45 <@rich0> No, I think that sums it up. I'll see if I can focus next on the roles/responsibilities.
+20:45 <@quantumsummers> ok, thanks rich0.
+20:45 <@quantumsummers> Lets move on to bugs, shall we?
+20:45 <@rich0> sure
+20:45 <@dabbott> Nothing much new in the bugs department
+20:46 <@quantumsummers> dabbott ok. I have let those silde under my radar I think.
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> so, I should move on?
+20:47 <@dabbott> yes we can go over them next month if needed
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> please
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> New Business
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> Infra Purchase Request
+20:47 <@dabbott> I think this next one is for darkside_
+20:49 <@robbat2> back
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: the infra purchase requests
+20:49 -!- ABCD [~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> did darkside_jump out of a plane or something? where is he? :)
+20:49 <@robbat2> ok, there's been some independant development on those
+20:50 <@quantumsummers> do tell
+20:50 <@robbat2> this channel is open, so i'll suffice to say that $bigcorp has offered us $6k for hardware
+20:50 <@robbat2> the best fit for that right now, is looking like buying the VM machines with it, minus the disks, and having the foundation buy the disks
+20:50 <@robbat2> very similar to the VM proposal link, just without the disks
+20:51 <@robbat2> from Dell
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+20:51 <@dabbott> that will work
+20:51 <@robbat2> for disks, looking at buying Barracuda XT's ourselves via newegg
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> That works - is that a donation ?
+20:51 <@robbat2> as they are sub-$200 on Newegg, and Dell wants >$500/disk
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: that is excellent
+20:52 <@robbat2> not cash, purchase on corporate card shipped straight to OSL
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> thanks to $bigcorp
+20:52 <@robbat2> we can't go over the $6k, so we need to get as close to it as possible to maximize our use of it
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. Thanks to $bigcorp
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> and thanks to $person_that_made_it_happen
+20:53 <@robbat2> i'll need to work out the details for the sponsor page during the next week
+20:53 <@robbat2> but that purchase will probably happen in the same timeframe
+20:53 <@robbat2> for the disks, i'll make a new purchase request
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, so there will be a required for disks in the same timeframe ?
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> We can vote on that on the alias
+20:54 <+armin76> robbat2: what about the thing the disks go to? i can't remember the name...
+20:54 <@robbat2> yes
+20:54 <@robbat2> Ganeti?
+20:54 <@robbat2> drbd?
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> a case?
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> ;)
+20:54 <+armin76> yeah, the case
+20:55 <@robbat2> armin76, the r415's we're ordering are supposed to have the hotswap disk caddys in them
+20:55 <@robbat2> so we just pull em and install the disks
+20:55 <@quantumsummers> bing bang boom
+20:55 <+armin76> okay
+20:55 <@quantumsummers> alrighty
+20:56 <@dabbott> what about a new Masterdistfiles Machine ?
+20:56 <@robbat2> disk ideas are either 4x 3TB Barracuda XT, or (2x 3TB Barracuda, 2x 300GB 15K SAS)
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Do osl have some space waiting or do we have to swap out other hardware to make room ?
+20:56 <@robbat2> either way, $1200-$2k on disks
+20:56 <@robbat2> dabbott, that's why I was hoping darkside_ was here
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> he was here earlier
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Put together the purchase request. We can discuss this further if darkside_ shows up
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:57 <+armin76> i'd say there's space, power is another thing
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> Lets move on then
+20:57 <+armin76> but i don't think that has been discussed
+20:58 <@robbat2> armin76, it's discussed before, we're good
+20:58 < darkside_> pong
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> that was timely ...
+20:58 <@quantumsummers> hey darkside_ you appeared
+20:59 * quantumsummers is in an electrical storm at the moment. FYI
+20:59 <@robbat2> darkside_, hw proposals for new masterdistfiles box, any details? (since $bigcorp is doing the VM machines)
+20:59 < darkside_> i am getting frustrated at the endless bikeshedding when we talk about hw in #-infra
+21:00 < darkside_> to the point that i have just ignored it
+21:01 <@robbat2> after the VM, it's just masterdistfiles+pecker that are left for replacing, how can we trim the bikeshedding?
+21:01 <@dabbott> no bikeshedding here what do you need
+21:01 <@rich0> Yup, from a foundation perspective we really just need a proposal and the word of infra that it makes sense.
+21:02 < darkside_> we've spec'd out something and posted it to the infra alias, just need someone to order the hw. BDFL-style
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, you are doing the work - you know what is needed - write it up, then its a done deal.
+21:02 <@robbat2> i apologize for not being around more to BFDL infra into not bikeshedding
+21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, post it to trustees@ with quotes if you have them
+21:03 <@rich0> It isn't like we're trying to make it on the TOPS list or something - we need some servers that work... :)
+21:04 < darkside_> maybe i'll just work with robbat2 via email or so to get it done
+21:04 <@robbat2> yeah, maybe best
+21:04 < darkside_> eliminate the by-standing audience
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, ok.
+21:05 <@rich0> Yup - lists are good for generating ideas. Bad for generating consensus.
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> main thrust, iirc, is that you were considering an acquisition in the range of $6K to $11K
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: is the above still correct?
+21:06 < darkside_> will be less now that alec is handling the VM stuff
+21:06 <@quantumsummers> Ok.
+21:06 <@quantumsummers> seems reasonable.
+21:07 < darkside_> ok, that is all then. action for me: work with robbat2 personally
+21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, When we have the shopping list, we can fund it. That will end the bikeshedding
+21:07 <@dabbott> robbat2, while we are at it what about a replacement for pecker
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> I propose a 'Motion: Authorize darkside_ and robbat2 (working with me as payee) to specify and order server(s) not to exceed $8000.
+21:07 <@dabbott> seconded
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> this would exclude disks
+21:08 <@robbat2> abstain
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Its a bit early to put a value on it
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: *not to exceed*
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Its still a bit early
+21:08 <@robbat2> we'll put together a ballpark and send it to the trustees alias
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> I rescind the motion
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> just needs to get done.
+21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't need a meeting to vote
+21:09 <@rich0> robbat2, agree with your approach. I think it will get quick attention here.
+21:09 <@dabbott> unseconded :)
+21:09 <@rich0> Yup, we can approve on the alias.
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> Very well, moving along :)
+21:09 < darkside_> it makes things easier that alec stepped in
+21:09 < darkside_> should go better now
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> glad to hear it
+21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> We only need 3 Aye votes too
+21:10 <@quantumsummers> Next Up: KDE Akademy 2012 Support
+21:10 <@quantumsummers> tampakrap and differentreality are here to answer questions.
+21:10 < differentreality> yep :)
+21:10 <+tampakrap> hello :)
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems the support is in two parts
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> I have read the document and related email material.
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> a) endoresment
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> b) funding
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> right
+21:11 <@dabbott> correct
+21:11 <+tampakrap> for now, only the first part is needed to discuss
+21:11 <+tampakrap> funding will be raised again if we get accepted
+21:11 <@robbat2> if we endorse it, and there are no other funders, are we on the hook for it?
+21:12 <@robbat2> have other akademy's been break-even or better?
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the foundation endorse this attepmpt to host KDE Akademy 2012
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+21:12 < differentreality> robbat2, Not at all, funding is a separate issue, we definitely do not expect just one sponsor to cover the event :)
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, No. Much of the funding comes from KDE .e.v.
+21:13 <@robbat2> ok, then one last question: how much event-planning experience do either tampakrap / differentreality have?
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I would expect to fund something later is the approach is successful
+21:14 <@rich0> I certainly have no objections to endorsing the proposal. No big issues with a modest sponsorship of some kind. Gentoo has always had a vibrant KDE community and I'd say we're one of the better KDE distros out there.
+21:15 <@rich0> Oh, and does upstream consider this the right way to go about things? It certainly isn't our intent to meddle either.
+21:15 <+tampakrap> robbat2: we both have participated and organized many small and big linux events, including fosscomm 2009 (biggest annual greek event) in my city, and fosscomm 2010 in differentreality's city
+21:15 <+tampakrap> i can send you a list
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, tampakrap expanded on that in an email. KDE .e.V provide support too
+21:15 < differentreality> I have experience with many small / local events, mostly in my uni, as well as national event of FOSSCOMM 2010 which was held in Thessaloniki, Greece (this is where I'm from) and was a success (at least for greek foss community) with 500 people - I was main organizer/coordinator so I had to do a little bit of everything from arranging parallel presentations/workshops to dealing with the sponsorships and financial issues. I am also co-
+21:15 < differentreality> founder of the linux users group in my university as well as one of the two people that created IEEE student branch in my uni, which I currently actively coordinate too.
+21:15 <@robbat2> (i'm behind on my email due to electrical work at home yesterday)
+21:16 <@robbat2> ok, that's reasonable for the scale of Akademy
+21:16 <@robbat2> no further questions from me
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more Questions on endorsement ?
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Please vote
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+21:16 <@robbat2> Aye
+21:16 <@quantumsummers> Aye
+21:17 <@dabbott> yes
+21:17 <@rich0> aye
+21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ?
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> Motion carried.
+21:17 <+tampakrap> thank you guys, we really appreciate it
+21:17 < differentreality> thanks :)
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> Good luck on the application
+21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, differentreality You have our unamouns endorement - good luck.
+21:17 <@dabbott> good luck tampakrap differentreality
+21:17 <@robbat2> tampakrap, minor comment, if you do win, please make sure there are vegetarian options for all meals
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> +1
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap do you need something from the Foundation to support your application ?
+21:18 <@robbat2> (coming from the perspective of some local friends that are KDE devs and go to Akademy, and have had food troubles a few times)
+21:18 <+tampakrap> robbat2: that is actually one of the requirements :)
+21:18 < differentreality> robbat2, we already have it in mind - it surely will happen
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap do you need something from the Foundation to support your application ?
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+21:19 <+tampakrap> NeddySeagoon: sure, is a certificate possible?
+21:19 <+tampakrap> a letter or something
+21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, Lets discuss after the meeting
+21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> A letter, yes
+21:20 <+tampakrap> sure, i can discuss it with Matt afterwards
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sorry - I'm userping your chair
+21:20 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no biggie, you can have it back anytime
+21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, please continue
+21:21 <@quantumsummers> *Membership Applications*
+21:21 <@dabbott> Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) late addition
+21:21 <@quantumsummers> Senior Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera is requesting membership to the foundation as a developer
+21:21 <@dabbott> yes
+21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+21:22 <@rich0> aye
+21:22 <@quantumsummers> aye
+21:22 <@robbat2> aye
+21:22 <@quantumsummers> Congrats
+21:22 <@quantumsummers> to Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (aka klondike)
+21:23 <@quantumsummers> Lets do the cleanup
+21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> 16th is good for me
+21:23 <@quantumsummers> fine by me
+21:23 <@dabbott> fine here also
+21:23 <@quantumsummers> err wait a sec
+21:23 <@quantumsummers> sorry
+21:24 <@quantumsummers> I should be able to attend
+21:24 <@robbat2> 16th is good for me, 23/30th are really bad
+21:24 <@quantumsummers> however I have lots of family in town, as we are having a baby shower on Saturday
+21:24 <@quantumsummers> I can make it though, at least for most
+21:25 <@quantumsummers> Date of Next Meeting is Set - 16th Oct 2011 19:00 UTC
+21:25 <@rich0> sounds good
+21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> That would involve lots of drink here - go careful with your hangover
+21:25 <@robbat2> +1
+21:25 <@robbat2> (on the meeting, not the hangover)
+21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+21:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we shall see
+21:26 <@quantumsummers> Any Other Business??
+21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item
+21:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: you have the floor
+21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> The approch from the individual at Oracle .. There seems to be some enthusiasim to follow it up but it will need developer buy in. Should I post the message to -core
+21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> It we do get support from $bigcorp it will involve $work
+21:29 <@rich0> I think posting to -core makes sense, but it seems like the council already has a fair bit of support from it.
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> but they are not going to do all the work
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post to -core
+21:30 <@rich0> Maybe ask on -core who is willing to make some kind of general commitment if the proposal is accepted?
+21:30 <@rich0> Ie a few hours per week.
+21:30 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I, for one, would be willing to do a good amount of this $work as it is a general part of my day anyway.
+21:31 <@rich0> Yup, I was surprised by the amount of enthusiasm, so I think we'd be able to hold up our end of things.
+21:31 <@quantumsummers> I think so.
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> yep. I don't want to end up leading just becase I'm point of contact just now
+21:31 <@rich0> Still a bit of a long shot just the same.
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> its worth following up
+21:31 <@rich0> Maybe solicit somebody to lead the effort then.
+21:31 <@rich0> Having a leader goes a long way.
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, volunteered
+21:32 <@dabbott> a good leader I must say
+21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post to -core and write to the guy with an update
+21:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: CC or introduce me please.
+21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sure
+21:33 <@quantumsummers> Lets see what the real details are
+21:33 <@quantumsummers> I am happy to get this started and make sure its not a dud
+21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> That was my item
+21:33 <@quantumsummers> damn lightning is scaring my youngest cat, LOL
+21:34 <@quantumsummers> strike nearby...anyway
+21:34 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon
+21:34 <@quantumsummers> anyone else for AOB?
+21:34 <@robbat2> minor note i'll be offline for a chunk of the week
+21:34 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: everything alright?
+21:35 <@robbat2> furnace failed entirely, and the propety manager is having a guy replace it
+21:35 <@quantumsummers> oh that is good fun'
+21:35 <@robbat2> but to do so needs some actual construction work to comply w/ newer building codes
+21:35 <@robbat2> which happens to be in the ceiling RIGHT above my desk
+21:35 <@quantumsummers> even better.
+21:35 <@quantumsummers> take a vacation!
+21:35 <@quantumsummers> while you have a chance
+21:35 <@robbat2> lol, so i'm packing up my desktop etc
+21:36 <@quantumsummers> ok. well good luck sir
+21:36 <@quantumsummers> Anyone/thing else?
+21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write the email to Klondike etc. I'll work up a form of words with tampakrap too
+21:37 <@quantumsummers> thanks thanks
+21:37 <@dabbott> I can do the minutes and motions as it is all in the same place pretty much
+21:37 <@quantumsummers> dabbott will you update the motions?
+21:37 <@quantumsummers> ah, many thanks
+21:37 <@quantumsummers> Thank you NeddySeagoon and dabbott.
+21:37 <@quantumsummers> Thusly, it is Open Floor
+21:38 <@quantumsummers> Anyone wishing to speak should do so now or hold you peace until the next meeting (or send official business via email).
+21:39 * NeddySeagoon drops a pin
+21:39 <@quantumsummers> :) going once, twice, three
+21:39 <@quantumsummers> times
+21:39 <@quantumsummers> a lady
+21:39 * quantumsummers bangs the gavel. Meeting is closed.
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+20:04 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the October the 16th Gentoo Foundation Inc. trustees meeting. I'm logging. robbat2 sends apologies.
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, quantumsummers_ rich0 ?
+20:05 <@dabbott> present
+20:05 <@rich0> here
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum but a lot of stuff needs quantumsummers_ - lets give him a few minutes
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets start ... rich0 It looks like you are first, with the Foundation Activity Tracker Update
+20:10 <@rich0> Sure
+20:10 <@rich0> Not much change - I haven't been bugging everybody as much as I probably should, but if anybody could send me their notes on how they've prepared the various docs/etc I can try to put them into the activity descriptions.
+20:10 <@rich0> The tracker itself (the main page) is otherwise close to done. I did propose roles for all the tasks.
+20:11 <@rich0> In fact, I note that one task was due yesterday.
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds like a plan. Yep, I recall reviewing the proposed roles.
+20:11 <@rich0> Did we send in the New Mexico annual report?
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, thats a quantumsummers_ task ...
+20:12 <@rich0> Ok, I'll follow-up with him or we can bring it up later if he shows.
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Ir was going to be ready a week or so after the last meeting
+20:12 <@rich0> Yup - and long-term if we document how the activities are done and where the official copies are stored then updating it will be more self-service.
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> yep
+20:12 <@rich0> My goal is to have official repositories for copies of all filed documents/etc.
+20:13 <@rich0> Unless anybody has comments I don't think there is much to discuss.
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> You mean like CVS/git or something like that ?
+20:13 <@rich0> That was my thinking.
+20:13 <@rich0> Of course, some stuff should probably be secured (non-public).
+20:13 <@rich0> Perhaps with redacted copies posted publicly - details.
+20:14 <@rich0> But, my thinking is that there should be someplace official where we stick official stuff so that we know it won't burn in a fire/etc.
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> yes.
+20:14 <@rich0> Need not be the same place for everything, but if you look at my template I have a spot to tell the world where it is.
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to discuss bugs?
+20:14 <@rich0> It need not be a place the world has keys to.
+20:14 <@rich0> moving on...
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe true
+20:15 <@rich0> Any funding bugs ripe for discussion?
+20:15 <@rich0> I think both are already approved?
+20:15 <@dabbott> I don't see any new bugs
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> The infra HW stuff needs an infra rep. We maybe need to vote funds for the 1G Switch, unless thats coming out of the infra maintaince budget.
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 383573
+20:16 <@rich0> Should we be logging more bugs for all the mail chains?
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> If we are in danger of loosing track - yes
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> bug #383573
+20:17 <@dabbott> I can't view 383573
+20:18 <@rich0> Marked devs-only.
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, its locked - you need to log in
+20:18 <@rich0> Probably not quite the right security.
+20:18 <@dabbott> ohh ok
+20:18 <@dabbott> my main box died yesterday
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Its locked as it contains personal information
+20:18 <@rich0> Yup.
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> The vote is to approve funding for the new 1G switch just being sent to OSL. The total value is not there yet, as shipping to OSL has not been added
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> ... maybe vote on it on the list, when dabbott can read it
+20:21 <@rich0> I'm fine to vote now or whenever.
+20:21 <@dabbott> I logged in looks fine
+20:21 <@rich0> I'm sure we can just approve for up to $350 or whatever to cover shipping.
+20:21 <@dabbott> we can vote now, we need a motion?
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that was close to a motion ... care to reword?
+20:21 <@rich0> sure
+20:22 <@dabbott> does infra have a budget for stuff like this
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Only for repairs - this is new stuff
+20:22 <@rich0> motion to approve #383573 for a new switch - spend funds plus reasonable shipping up to $50
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded
+20:22 <@rich0> aye
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+20:22 <@dabbott> aye
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried. Action quantumsummers_ to pay the bill
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Business Gentoo Logo Usage Policy really needs everyone. I suggest we skip it
+20:25 <@rich0> Makes sense - might not hurt to discuss offline. Maybe even post to -nfp for comment?
+20:25 <@dabbott> seconded
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, sure.
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Items 6 and 7 are null
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Which gets us to the Cleanup
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 20th Nov 2011 19:00 UTC
+20:27 <@rich0> WORKSFORME
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> We'll be back on GMT then, so its an hour earlier for me
+20:27 <@dabbott> fine here
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> 19:00 wintertime it is then
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ...
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing from me
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, if you update the motions, I'll post the log
+20:29 <@dabbott> will do
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Floor ...
+20:30 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting
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+19:09 * NeddySeagoon banges the gavel to open the November 2011 Gentoo Foundation Inc. Trustees meeting
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call
+19:10 <@dabbott> present
+19:10 <@quantumsummers|c> present
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looging
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, robbat2|na
+19:10 <@rich0> present
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I seen to recall robbat2 said he may have some difficulty, so lets start
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Election Recording Date ... hmmm.
+19:12 <@dabbott> I like the idea of the elections after the Annual Report
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose the close of our January meeting, if we want to hold elections at the customary time
+19:12 <@quantumsummers|c> what is the date of the next election? In March somewhere?
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, its nomination in Feb, voting in Mar
+19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, yeah end of Jan is not a bad idea, like we have done before
+19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> I will note that my wife is due at the end of Jan, however
+19:13 <@dabbott> so 5 months until the Annual Report
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> We could move it closerto the AGM, so new trustees take their seats at the close of the AGM
+19:13 <@dabbott> perfect
+19:13 <@quantumsummers|c> I am OK with that as well
+19:14 <@rich0> I'm pretty flexible - it doesn't matter that much in practice and we can always try it and see how it works. Does create the lame-duck issue if you announce well before effective.
+19:14 <@rich0> But that works for POTUS.
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I have a mild preference of nonminations in July, votes in Aug so the old team present at the AGM
+19:15 <@rich0> If there is a membership revolt and they kick out all the trustees we can at least loot the treasury on the way out that way. :) (uh, did somebody mention logging)
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thoughts ?>
+19:15 <@quantumsummers|c> seems fine to me
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, yeah, I did and am
+19:15 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, ++
+19:15 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, ++
+19:15 <@quantumsummers|c> no looting on my watch unless I get 25%
+19:16 <@quantumsummers|c> :D
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion - that the Trustee eclection be move to better coincide with the AGM.
+19:17 <@quantumsummers|c> seconded
+19:17 <@rich0> do we want to go ahead and specify the target, or wait till we get closer?
+19:17 <@quantumsummers|c> lets set it
+19:17 <@rich0> ie dates/etc.
+19:17 <@rich0> So, elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date?
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> This also means the elections project will not be slacking at FOSDEM
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that works for me
+19:18 <@dabbott> sounds good
+19:18 <@rich0> NeddySeagoon, care to revise your motion?
+19:19 <@rich0> assuming quantumsummers is fine with it?
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion that Trustee elsections be elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date to better alighn with the AGM
+19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> yes
+19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> seconded
+19:19 <@rich0> aye
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please
+19:19 <@dabbott> aye
+19:19 <@quantumsummers|c> +1
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Montion carried
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your turn ... SFLC Update, Certified Public Accountant and 501(c)(3) registration status
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> Ok, so
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> sflc: our previous council has moved to the software conservancy or gnome foundation so I hear
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> Karen, that is
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Ah well, do we have a new name ?
+19:21 <@quantumsummers|c> I need to setup a meeting to see who will be our contact going forward
+19:22 <@robbat2|na> hi
+19:22 <@quantumsummers|c> on my list for Monday
+19:22 <@quantumsummers|c> hello robbat2|na
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> hi robbat2|na
+19:22 <@robbat2|na> ah, i messed up the start time
+19:22 <@dabbott> hi robbat2|na
+19:22 <@robbat2|na> aye on election dates
+19:22 <@dabbott> Motion Trustee elections be elections in Aug, nominations in July, meeting in June is recording date to better align with the AGM in AUG
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I guess that means the SFLC has made no progress on anything, its it could well be a step backwards.
+19:23 <@quantumsummers|c> that is fairly accurate
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, not much you can add to that until after your meeting then
+19:23 <@quantumsummers|c> that could also explain why I have received no response for a long time from karen
+19:23 <@dabbott> good thing they are free
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> that is true, dabbott
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> anyway, we'll get that taken care of, I just need to make contact again.
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> lets see
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> financials
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, does it need to be you? You nave a lot on just now
+19:24 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: no it does not
+19:25 <@quantumsummers|c> I would like to have more than one person with them
+19:25 <@quantumsummers|c> I think that may make it easier
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, rich0 how about picking up the pieces with the SFLC ?
+19:25 <@dabbott> I can send them an email
+19:26 <@rich0> I don't mind getting involved. What is our end-goal with them anyway?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott: let me setup a meeting first then I can pass the torch
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, it means you would become the point of contact with SFLC. Its more than just an email ?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> the main goal with them is assistance with license issues and other IP-related matters
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, that sounds like a plan
+19:26 <@quantumsummers|c> ok
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe a 3 way session
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> yep
+19:27 <@dabbott> ok sure, quantumsummers|a send me what you have I will contact them and let them know I will be a contact
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you and rich0 sort it out between you
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, we'll get that going
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> how about both rich0 and dabbott
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't have an issue with that
+19:27 <@quantumsummers|c> really I think all of us should be in contact with them
+19:27 <@rich0> Either is fine with me.
+19:27 <@dabbott> same here
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, I'll get the ball rolling on Monday'
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> so, lets see next
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, Certified Public Accountant
+19:28 <@rich0> It probably wouldn't hurt for us to think of some specific things we want to accomplish with them. Maybe sort out the logo?
+19:28 <@rich0> (belay that - until we get to it)
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds good
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, they already have a list of stuff ...
+19:28 <@quantumsummers|c> CPA, this got a little more complicated than I had hoped, so they filed typical extension
+19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> this is normal, and I do this every year actually
+19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> so we are still working on getting everything together
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, do we have a CPA under contract ?
+19:29 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: yes
+19:30 <@quantumsummers|c> this includes the 1023 application, which there is some interesting stuff going on at the IRS apparently which has delayed nearly all FLOSS applications as well as several other types of orgs
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, thats good to know, can you post the details to the alias please. We all need to know it
+19:30 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: sure, I'll scan the paperwork next week, its all at my office
+19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> meant to do that awhile ago, and clearly forgot, sorry
+19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> in terms of other financial info
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks. quantumsummers|a I anticipate you won't have much time/bet much sleep in the new year
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> bet -> get
+19:31 <@quantumsummers|c> we shall see, I don't get much now
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> we have everyone reimbursed for GSOC travel and Donnie has submitted his invoice for foundation reimbursement
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good. Nobody should be out of pocket for that
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> I have one outstanding bug open for reimbursement for a recent hardware purchase
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> we should receive the funds from google soon
+19:32 <@quantumsummers|c> which is our main income for the year
+19:33 <@quantumsummers|c> I forget the exact number but with travel, etc, its maybe $9K
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> On a related topic, how do we keep track of projects in progress ? rich0 maybe your tracker should be expanded
+19:33 <@quantumsummers|c> I have been filing bugs for things that involve money for the most part
+19:33 <@rich0> I see my tracker being mainly for recurring activities.
+19:33 <@rich0> Wouldn't bugs be best for single instances of stuff in progress?
+19:34 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: I mentioned this in -infra, but maybe we should have a foundation group for private info/bugs
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> I know that we have a mips project in progress, there was a similar request for alpha, which seemed to have stalled
+19:34 <@quantumsummers|c> as in restrict access, not sure if it matters really
+19:34 <@rich0> In fact, in an ideal world you could use the tracker to trigger creating a new bug. The tracker is the crontab, and the bug is the process.
+19:34 <@rich0> quantumsummers|a, ++
+19:35 <@rich0> I see this as an issue too. Right now stuff just goes around on the alias for confidentiality, and we never really close the loop properly to make sure we don't drop things.
+19:35 <@quantumsummers|c> anyway, I was told its fairly easy, robbat2|na would know more
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, that sould pretty good. Where do we keep track of funds committed by not yet spent ?
+19:35 <@rich0> Bugzilla is perfect for tracking things that have a start and an end, and we can lock the bugs that are sensitive, and leave open the ones that are in there now.
+19:35 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, there is a trustees group under the foundation product already
+19:35 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: yeah, I agree it would be handy to have a place to manage things more centrally and for future proofing
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: I mean a restrict access bit
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> as in there is one already to restrict it to devs only, etc
+19:36 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, ah. ok. done
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> the product is there, yes. might add a few things to it beyond "proposal"
+19:36 <@rich0> Yup, just like security bugs, but trustees only and the CC list.
+19:36 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks robbat2|na
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds good
+19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, paypal stuff
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, sorry for the digression
+19:37 <@rich0> I think the templates/organization is a nice to have, but the security is critical since that is what is keeping us out. We can't go posting bank account numbers even on dev-only bugs.
+19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> I am removing some previous persons SSN and replacing it with our EIN
+19:37 <@quantumsummers|c> that is some paperwork that I have to submit
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> it will make it easier moving forward to hand over control to more than one person or another single person, etc
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> I saw the process - it looks horrendus
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> nah, not too bad really
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> just paperwork, I have all the info I think
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Go ahead then quantumsummers|a
+19:38 <@quantumsummers|c> will do
+19:39 <@quantumsummers|c> we were able to get the server to replace osprey and the HDDs that robbat2|na wanted
+19:39 <@quantumsummers|c> I need to order 2 new caddies however, once I find where on the dell site
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> could not locate that on friday
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> so, some cost there but surely <$100
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe someone in -infra knows where
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> we overpaid for the HDDs due to Thai floods
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, well, we are committed now
+19:40 <@quantumsummers|c> yes
+19:41 <@quantumsummers|c> I have the part number, but could not find it, will probably just call
+19:41 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers|a, we should double-check the caddys for the goog boxes as well
+19:41 <@robbat2|na> ping me after the meeting re that stuff
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> as another aside, my work uses google mail etc. I get all the foundation stuff in google docs coming up when I'm logged in for work
+19:42 <@quantumsummers|c> robbat2|na: alrighty
+19:42 <@quantumsummers|c> the google docs stuff can be nice actually
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I don't mind but my work might
+19:43 <@quantumsummers|c> ah true, you should switch your .forward
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I don't have a .forward, I don't think
+19:44 <@quantumsummers|c> how on earth then
+19:44 <@quantumsummers|c> weird
+19:44 <@dabbott> you can set up a gmail account just for gentoo stuff
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> anyway, back to the agenda
+19:44 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, you use a personal gmail account for work?
+19:44 <@robbat2|na> or your google accounts are associated together
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, No. The company uses gmail
+19:45 <@quantumsummers|c> I do not see how that could happen
+19:45 <@robbat2|na> weird
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, lets not pursue it now, but if anyone has any ideas ...
+19:46 <@quantumsummers|c> ok
+19:46 <@quantumsummers|c> so, I think that is all from me. Unless someone can remind me of something I have forgotten to cover ...
+19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, 501(c)(3) registration status ... I guess thats stalled meanwhile?
+19:47 <@quantumsummers|c> not stalled, just work-in-progress
+19:47 <@quantumsummers|c> still working on it
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, SSL Options Update and New Masterdistfiles Machine
+19:48 <@robbat2|na> SSL option: no change, and i'm actually really happy about that w/ more CA failures being reported.
+19:48 <@robbat2|na> as a potential improvement for now
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> should we drop this from the agenda then ?
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> CA failures == SSL breaking u around us ?
+19:49 <@robbat2|na> for now I think so. i've started on DNSSEC deployment for Gentoo, and we can send other trust metrics via that later
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> u -> up
+19:49 <@robbat2|na> yes
+19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:50 <@robbat2|na> there's some RFCs on sending ssl cert fingerprints via DNS
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> +1 to that
+19:50 <@robbat2|na> which when combined with DNSSEC, and when the browsers pick them up, will negate a lot of the CA system
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> with dnssec that could be a big improvement
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> nice
+19:50 <@quantumsummers|c> I just spent a ton of money on thawte certs
+19:51 <@robbat2|na> any objections to dropping it for now, w/ a review in 3/4 months?
+19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> nope
+19:51 <@quantumsummers|c> I wish we didnt have to, but better to not have a false sense of sec I suppose
+19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> nicely, if thawte goes down I sue for large sum of money
+19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> insurance is nice I guess
+19:52 <@robbat2|na> i don't think we'd have gotten their insurance clauses anyway w/ free certs
+19:52 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, I don't think so either
+19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> you can insure against technolgy changing?
+19:53 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: you can insure anything :D
+19:53 <@robbat2|na> for the right price
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, New Masterdistfiles Machine
+19:53 <@quantumsummers|c> whether the company will survive your claim, that is another issue
+19:54 <@quantumsummers|c> New Masterdistfiles Machine == osprey replacement?
+19:54 <@robbat2|na> yes
+19:54 <@robbat2|na> i haven't seen a response on the ticket if the arrived at osuosl yet
+19:54 <@robbat2|na> but i'm not sure if it was set to to cc to infra correctly
+19:54 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, its there
+19:55 <@robbat2|na> ok, so just caddys + install left
+19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> sounds like progress anyway
+19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> yes
+19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> although you can install with the current 2 caddies
+19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Foundation Activity Tracker Update
+19:55 <@rich0> At this point we're mostly in execution mode.
+19:55 <@quantumsummers|c> there are 2 500GB HDDs that are extra now also
+19:56 <@rich0> Quick question - did we ever file in Missouri?
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I think that went out, yes
+19:56 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, and everyone thought it was a bad idea to add projects on progress ...
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I signed the stuff awhile ago
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I'll poke the cpa
+19:56 <@quantumsummers|c> I suspect the answer is yes
+19:56 <@rich0> I think the tracker basically meets it core purpose as an activity reminder. I'd still like to see the per-task pages beefed up, but I don't see that as being essential.
+19:57 <@rich0> Ok, if yes then I'll go ahead and create dates on those filings (for 2012).
+19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets run with it a while
+19:57 <@rich0> Did we file the 990?
+19:57 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: we filed an extension
+19:57 <@quantumsummers|c> so, we have another 6 months
+19:57 <@rich0> Does that cover the new mexico AG as well?
+19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> we file a different thing for NM
+19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> that is filed
+19:58 <@rich0> One of the NM requirements is a copy of the 990.
+19:58 <@quantumsummers|c> apparently was filed on Nov 2 by Heather, although I have no idea why they waited
+19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> not for the PRC stuff
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs
+19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> rich0: link me to that
+19:59 <@rich0> Ok, feel free to move on with the agenda and I'll send to quantumsummers
+19:59 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to discuss any bugs in detail ?
+20:01 <@robbat2|na> i think they're all in execution or pending external input
+20:01 <@quantumsummers|c> the one 296766, can be closed
+20:01 <@quantumsummers|c> that is all done
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats what I like to hear, it makes the meeting faster
+20:02 <@dabbott> Bug 363871 can that be closed
+20:02 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/363871 "Consider StartSSL certificate offer"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; robbat2:infra-bugs
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Busines
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, do we need to write to them to say no thanks, or leave it until we reconsider ?
+20:03 <@robbat2|na> i'll write some emails on it
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks robbat2|na
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> George Boyce | Use of Gentoo Artwork ... Alien Cow Abductors
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> That artwork in under a CCA licence and our logo is a small part of it, so I don't think we can object
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> is*
+20:07 <@dabbott> his request was "I would like permission to use this particular artwork to support a non-profit project under development and described at http://dev.cowabductors.org/"
+20:07 <@rich0> So, what do we want to offer them.
+20:08 <@rich0> Should we state that we explicitly give him permission to use it as described?
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think he needs to ask ... the CCA applies. Its likewhoas wallpaper
+20:09 <@rich0> So, should we tell him that he doesn't need to ask?
+20:09 <@rich0> Seems like the current non-commercial policy is that he can use it as long as he clarifies that he has nothing to do with us.
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> He needs to follow whatever licence likewhoa released to artwork unde
+20:09 <@rich0> Well, he also has to comply with the logo guidelines regardless of the artwork license.
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> what does everyone else think ?
+20:10 <@rich0> The artwork license only covers copyright, not trademark.
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, good point
+20:10 <@dabbott> its peaches artwork i believe
+20:10 <@dabbott> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/graphics.xml
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - he needs to get the attribution right :)
+20:10 <@dabbott> licensed under CC-BY-SA/2.5
+20:11 <@rich0> From a trademark his use is fine if he is non-commercial.
+20:11 <@rich0> If he is commercial we'd need to give him an exemption, since it isn't being used to denote that something contains 'gentoo inside" or whatever.
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, Its non-commercial - to expose children to robots
+20:13 <@rich0> Seems to me that he needs to 1. Check with the artist on their license and comply, and 2. follow the non-commercial guidelines on the logo page and state that the logo is a trademark of gentoo and he isn't gentoo and so on.
+20:13 <@rich0> Or, we could give him a pass on having to do #2.
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to help him ... I'll put together an email for trustees to review.
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Does everyone agree we want to support this ?
+20:13 <@rich0> And did I mention that this whole mess is something that would be wonderful to get the SFLC to help out with?
+20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, their help would be nice
+20:14 <@rich0> I definitely want to remove any burdens.
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Its educational after all and thats a part of our stated objectives
+20:14 <@dabbott> thanks NeddySeagoon he was confused over the different licenses involved
+20:14 <@rich0> Whatever form that has to take - we shouldn't be standing in their way.
+20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> tbh, I am more than a little upset at the way we were sort of "dropped" if you will
+20:14 <@quantumsummers|c> or forgotten more likely
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I told him it would bediscussed now
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> its not dropped
+20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> ok, I see no reason that he cannot use that image without our logo in ther
+20:15 <@quantumsummers|c> I meant sflc forgot us
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok.
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> I will put together a reply on this and send it to the alias for comment
+20:16 <@rich0> Sounds good.
+20:16 <@dabbott> again thanks
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I will put a placeholder into George too
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> next item Gentoo Logo Usage Policy
+20:17 <@rich0> Ugh
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> This could be a long one and we have been running 70 min already, should we hold this over ?
+20:18 <@rich0> I think that makes sense, or maybe consider it as something to bring up in our SFLC re-engagement?
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds good but SFLC won't respond quickly
+20:18 <@rich0> My suggestion is that we come up with some kind of holistic policy that covers copyright/trademark/etc so that we don't have these confusing double-treatments.
+20:18 <@rich0> But we don't have to hash that out now.
+20:19 <@rich0> Maybe we should consider reading the stuff in the agenda as homework in the meantime.
+20:19 <@dabbott> lets brainstorm on the ml
+20:19 <@rich0> Yes - sounds good.
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> I like that - maybe two logos like Debian. We have two already. The G and the unoffcial LArry
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Moving on ...
+20:19 <@rich0> Maybe, or even if it is just one have one policy that covers both copyright and trademark.
+20:19 <@rich0> Ok, onwards...
+20:19 <@robbat2|na> i'll send in a link for the ubuntu equiv link as well
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications ... None
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Part 3 Cleanup ...
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Date of Next Meeting - 18th Dec 2011 19:00 UTC
+20:20 <@quantumsummers|c> +1
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> That works for me
+20:20 <@dabbott> fine here
+20:21 <@robbat2|na> should work fine for me, might be slightly late
+20:21 <@rich0> +1
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> fine.
+20:21 <@robbat2|na> (that's a weekend of christmas parties here)
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> you party early robbat2|na. We start for hogmany aroudn Dec 25th
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ...
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbot ?
+20:22 <@dabbott> none
+20:22 <@robbat2|na> no AOB from me
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, you always have something
+20:22 <@quantumsummers|c> nope, just chuck testa
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, heh
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, did Heather get our good standing fixed and find out what happened ?
+20:23 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: she had not heard back on Friday when I went home, I'll contact again on Monday.
+20:23 <@quantumsummers|c> I'm sure we are fine though, just slow processing
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> As long the she is onto it
+20:23 <@rich0> Yup - if we talked to them we should be fine.
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> we made the deadline, no worries
+20:24 <@rich0> Wheels of government turn slowly.
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> just freaked me out a bit
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats all from me, I think
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks for pointing that out dabbott
+20:24 <@rich0> Yeah, I understand the feeling. Glad you spotted it.
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities
+20:24 <@rich0> Rather than a slashdot submitter. :)
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> oh, I will be having a gentoo onesie made for my boy, so if anyone wants one, I will have another made (organic cotton)
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> I will write to George Boyce and post the log
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> will have pics, etc for the front page :P
+20:24 <@quantumsummers|c> thanks
+20:25 <@rich0> Oh boy...
+20:25 <@dabbott> can we switch everything to missouri and drop nm
+20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> not likely to drop NM
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|c, Oh, you know its just the one then ?
+20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> yes, and a boy
+20:25 <@dabbott> once missouri is good
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I do have something else.
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> The Sec ad ?
+20:25 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, lets run it unless someone here wants the job
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want to post the ad as is or does it need more work ?
+20:26 <@quantumsummers|c> I have a python/django membership app that makes that stuff fairly simple
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I would like to appont an officer who is not a trustee
+20:26 <@quantumsummers|c> NeddySeagoon: seems ok, I am just concerned since the person will have signatory power
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> it would be nice to have some level of trust
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> maybe meet them face to face, etc
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> I am paranoid though
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, I want to keep the bard low for enquires, we can ask for more info once we have some nibbles
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> ok
+20:27 <@quantumsummers|c> sounds good
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers|a, last time we ran that ad, we got exactly one response - you
+20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> yeah, I know. Hard to believe that
+20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> crazy, no one wants to volunteer for that stuff
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm quite keen to expand the management of the foundation beyond the trustees
+20:28 <@quantumsummers|c> as am I
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we get it on the front page ?
+20:29 <@dabbott> quantumsummers|a, what about max he even sent an resume
+20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott can do that
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> I can put an announce and discuss on the forums
+20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> dabbott: email him, great idea
+20:29 <@quantumsummers|c> Max would be a good candidate
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> put the ad up and email him a pointer
+20:30 <@quantumsummers|c> cool
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> that was all I had, so onto Open Floor
+20:31 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting
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+<quantumsummers_> shall we begin?
+<rich0> sure
+<dabbott> sure
+<quantumsummers_> we could have an abbreviated meeting, and take some of it to mail. what do you think/
+<quantumsummers_> ?
+<dabbott> perfect
+<quantumsummers_> I think at least some of this needs discussion
+<quantumsummers_> like the logo policy bits
+<dabbott> lets discuss on the ml, its just too much for a meeting, we can even form a committee of interested and knowledgeable parties
+<quantumsummers_> ok.
+<quantumsummers_> rich0: any objections?
+<rich0> Well, let's at least talk a little about the logos before taking it offline.
+<quantumsummers_> sure, sounds reasonable
+<rich0> maybe just to get a sense for initial thoughts
+<rich0> No need to try to drive any conclusions though.
+<dabbott> my intital thought is some simple like the debian policy just one logo
+<rich0> Most of the polices seemed to have some common themes:
+<rich0> 1. No separate copyright/trademark license. They just had one policy that covered use across the board.
+<dabbott> one logo for official, one open logo
+<rich0> That was common as well.
+<quantumsummers_> my 0.02 is that we need to protect our logo/name/mark while also allowing our users to be creative with it for non-commercial/community/personal purposes. In the case of a commercial use, we should require licensing with favorable terms like any other trademark.
+<rich0> There seemed to be some variance on whether you could put the logo on for-sale items. Some allowed, and some didn't.
+<quantumsummers_> there is some variance with for-sale items in floss orgs
+<rich0> Many distros don't require payment to stick a logo on distribution media, if it is identical to official media.
+<rich0> Then there is the "remix" concept in all the ubuntu-derived ones.
+<quantumsummers_> right, I see no issue with that. I am more thinking of t-shirts, etc that people make money from
+<dabbott> I am also confused as to the font used for official use
+<rich0> Some distros were much more specific about font/etc than others.
+<quantumsummers_> yes, ubuntu even has their own font
+<rich0> I see that as a secondary goal. Maybe after license worry about fonts/etc, unless we get a volunteer willing to create a "branding guide" for us or something.
+<quantumsummers_> one thing to note, the font is largely irrelevant to the use of the name
+<rich0> Being that "Gentoo is about choice" and all that, my sense is that we should be relatively permissive about what you can call "Gentoo" - Gentoo isn't about a consistent experience like it is on some other distros. I can see the value in limiting commercial use since the revenue does benefit Gentoo.
+<quantumsummers_> this is true, rich0
+<robbat2|na> hi
+<quantumsummers_> as far as community-use, non-commercial use, and personal use, I see no issue using the mark
+<robbat2|na> my bad, i'm late again
+<dabbott> hi robbat2|na
+<rich0> Maybe have specific wording to apply to copies of the official Gentoo install media so that people can tell what it is. However, a Chromebook can be "Gentoo" as much as a more traditional Gentoo install.
+<quantumsummers_> for commercial purposes or something that is going to make money (produce a non-negligible profit) I think there must be some licensing rules.
+<quantumsummers_> hi robbat2|na, glad ya made it
+<rich0> Well, we don't need to spell those out so much - most of the distros say "call us" for that stuff.
+<quantumsummers_> rich0: right
+<quantumsummers_> to address the official versus non-official install media, we may just want to say just that on the disk
+<rich0> Some distros basically said "here is what you can do for free, anything else - contact us" and maybe gave some examples of what might require a "contact" with a note that it wasn't exhaustive.
+<quantumsummers_> rich0: seems fine, would give a lot of control per case
+<quantumsummers_> we could make an "official gentoo media" seal to denote such a thing, as an option
+<rich0> Any concerns with trying to have some kind of "creative commons" copyright license? Unless not having one causes problems I'd probably perfer to stop offering that license and just spell out what you can and can't do.
+<rich0> quantumsummers_, I tend to agree on the media bit
+<quantumsummers_> something should be easy to do too, I have considered as much with custom bootup framebuffer logo for myself too
+<rich0> Any other thoughts around the license? I think we could try to capture some of these elements in an email to -nfp or -project and put it out for comment. Then based on guidance create a license. Maybe consider basing it on whatever is closest to our intent? Ubuntu in particular encourages copying.
+<quantumsummers_> ok. so it sounds like we will allow free use for community/personal/non-commercial purposes. any commercial use should be dealt with case by case
+<rich0> I think that's the gist of it. I think we're largely on the same page.
+<dabbott> quantumsummers_, yes sounds good to me
+<quantumsummers_> ok good. I am happy to draft a brief email to -nfp to get a discussion started
+<robbat2|na> roughly on the same page, it's just agreeing on the last 10% that will take the other 90% of the time
+<quantumsummers_> yep, always that way
+<quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: what are your thoughts on this so far?
+<dabbott> debians official logo adds the lamp to the logo to seperate it from the open logo looks like
+<quantumsummers_> not real sure what we could add ...
+<rich0> I think that will be something we need to figure out - if we want a dual logo.
+<robbat2|na> i'm not so fussed about media, as long as it identifies as being gentoo-derived, it's uses where our imagery/artwork are used to identify as not gentoo, or to imply Gentoo's support of something
+<robbat2|na> that bug me
+<rich0> To be honest I've never really seen the debian official logo - it was news to me when I read that page.
+<quantumsummers_> yeah, I am with you there robbat2|na
+<rich0> I'd only worry about having a second logo if we plan to actually use it.
+<quantumsummers_> as far as media goes, some "official foo" would suffice without altering the media
+<quantumsummers_> or having another logo
+<rich0> Tend to agree- I think "official wording" might be just as good as a logo.
+<rich0> Just like how other distros say use "remix" and not "version" or "edition" or whatever.
+<quantumsummers_> yes.
+<rich0> I think the key is being clear on being "based on" Gentoo, or "powered by" or whatever.
+<rich0> No two Gentoo users have quite the same install anyway.
+<quantumsummers_> perhaps all we really need to do is provide some guidance for derivative distros, and leave the users to their own
+<quantumsummers_> I think the only real concern is when its commerical
+<quantumsummers_> in that case, its likely we won't even know what is happening or the gentoo elements are buried (i.e. the nasdaq system that has been commercialized, or chromebook respectively)
+<robbat2|na> the nasdaq one differs in that it's not distributed
+<robbat2|na> while the chromebook one is
+<quantumsummers_> nasdaq, it is distributed, sold, etc
+<quantumsummers_> just not widely
+<robbat2|na> the chromebook case has a GPL followthrough, the source needs to be made available
+<quantumsummers_> this is true
+<robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, do you have a reference for "nasdaq, it is distributed, sold, etc" <-- their gentoo platform?
+<quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: I will find it. Perhaps I misread, but I believe they were advertising the "platform" for other stock markets
+<robbat2|na> they have a software package that's "NASDAQ" that runs on top of Linux
+<robbat2|na> you can deploy it on any distro
+<quantumsummers_> hmm, perhaps that is what I read.
+<rich0> Unless they're violating GPL or whatever not really much of a concern - if they don't use the Gentoo logo they can basically do whatever they want as long as they make the source available to whoever they give it to.
+<quantumsummers_> ^^ this is true
+<rich0> I got the impression their Gentoo use was more back-end in nature.
+<robbat2|na> they're not actually distributing any Gentoo-derived stuff, from what I gathered
+<quantumsummers_> ok, seems ok then, I must have misinterpreted the language
+<quantumsummers_> brb
+<quantumsummers_> ok.
+<rich0> Anything further to discuss here? I'd suggest taking the rest offline.
+<quantumsummers_> anymore on this? shall we take this to the alias for discussion or straight to the -nfp ML?
+<quantumsummers_> heh, yes
+<rich0> That is - the rest of the license issue.
+<quantumsummers_> fine by me
+<rich0> I'd go straight to nfp - I think we hashed out much of it and we try to work in the open. Nothing sensitive here.
+<quantumsummers_> alrighty, will draft that up quicly
+<dabbott> good here
+<quantumsummers_> ok then, moving along
+<quantumsummers_> sflc update
+<dabbott> Who is our "Counsel" http://www.softwarefreedom.org/about/team/
+<quantumsummers_> dabbott: it was Karen Sandler
+<quantumsummers_> she left though
+<quantumsummers_> further, she has not returned any email for months on end
+<quantumsummers_> or phone calls
+<robbat2|na> brb
+<quantumsummers_> I think we need to email Daniel
+<dabbott> he wanted you to be the contact so if you could please
+<quantumsummers_> yes, ok
+<dabbott> thanks strange they were so interested then nothing
+<quantumsummers_> when I send you guys email, you get it ok right? its not marked as spam or whatever when I send it via googlemail is it?
+<quantumsummers_> dabbott: I have my theory about that, but its not very nice or well founded most likely
+<rich0> No issues - at least for the email that I get. :)
+<rich0> I can't tell you much about the email that I don't get...
+<dabbott> quantumsummers_, pretty sure I am getting them
+<quantumsummers_> if you get one, you should get them all
+<quantumsummers_> yeah, I think its fine, I have tested enough
+<quantumsummers_> ok, its on my list. moving along
+<quantumsummers_> cpa, 1023: no substantial change.
+<_robbat2|irssi> back (just mobile around the house for a few)
+<quantumsummers_> NM filings, rich0 and I are on this. I received bad instructions from Heather regarding the number of signatures required
+<quantumsummers_> so, its being taken care of
+<rich0> (slowly) :)
+<rich0> (not for our part)
+<dabbott> ok
+<quantumsummers_> rich0: I think that if you have not received it by wednesday, then we should switch to plan B
+<rich0> Sounds good - I'll send you an update Wed PM.
+<quantumsummers_> I wonder, based on the info, if we even need them in the loop for this filing
+<_robbat2|irssi> when does the 30 day extension run till?
+<rich0> Obviously I'll turn it around immediately if I get it sooner.
+<quantumsummers_> _robbat2|irssi: was never stated explicitly
+<quantumsummers_> I suspect its the end of December
+<quantumsummers_> I have a hard time believing its taken this long to get to you rich0
+<robbat2|na> you wrote the status update on nov 17th, and 30 days from that was yesterday
+<quantumsummers_> it was supposedly sent out on the 6th
+<rich0> US mail tends to take two days.
+<rich0> Maybe an extra day for the holidays.
+<quantumsummers_> _robbat2|irssi: I received notice of the extension at the end of Nov, the 29th I believe
+<quantumsummers_> the 6th to now is a long time
+<rich0> However, if they sent it regular first class there are no guarantees. If they misaddressed it then it could be anywhere.
+<robbat2|na> no tracking number?
+<rich0> I'd suggest pinging them and confirming the delivery address.
+<quantumsummers_> rich0: ok, I will re-print and overnight tomorrow morning. If you get it and re-ship same day we can get it to NM before Friday no prob
+<quantumsummers_> I don't really want to mess around with this right not, I'd rather just take care of it
+<rich0> Seems likely.
+<rich0> Works for me - I'll look out for it.
+<rich0> Just to confirm: 521 E CHERRY LN
+<rich0> SOUDERTON PA 18964-1235
+<quantumsummers_> rich0: that is the same address I sent to Chew
+<rich0> Ok, and don't leave out the "E" - for some reason the people of old around here loved the word "Cherry" and didn't care to coordinate their numbering.
+<rich0> The ZIP+4 should do the trick though.
+<rich0> That is usually unique to within a few houses.
+<quantumsummers_> ok, should be good on that.. yeah the E is important
+<quantumsummers_> same issue here too, we have east and west numbers
+<rich0> That and we have Cherry Streets, Roads, etc.
+<quantumsummers_> on moving on
+<quantumsummers_> lol
+<rich0> ok
+<quantumsummers_> not to mention trees
+<quantumsummers_> ok, so the activity tracker looks good
+<quantumsummers_> anything there?
+<quantumsummers_> or not there?
+<rich0> Nothing to add here - next item is taxes in April.
+<quantumsummers_> ok, open bugs
+<quantumsummers_> anything that needs immediate attention?
+<quantumsummers_> the licensing bits are going to the ML
+<quantumsummers_> the privacy policy, _robbat2|irssi anything there?
+<robbat2|na> no followup from me, i've just been too busy
+<quantumsummers_> ok then, no new business that I am aware of
+<quantumsummers_> lets take care of the new membership application from Johannes Huber
+<quantumsummers_> he is a dev
+<dabbott> yes
+<quantumsummers_> motion to approve
+<rich0> aye
+<rich0> seconded
+<dabbott> aye
+<quantumsummers_> vote
+<robbat2|na> aye
+<quantumsummers_> aye
+<dabbott> aye
+<rich0> aye
+<quantumsummers_> approved
+<quantumsummers_> I can email his
+<quantumsummers_> *him
+<quantumsummers_> nothing more there
+<quantumsummers_> Date of Next Meeting - 15th Jan 2011 19:00 UTC
+<quantumsummers_> will that work?
+<dabbott> fine here
+<robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, when is your wife's baby due again?
+<quantumsummers_> I am on delivery watch, but should be fine ... she is due the 20th of Jan
+<rich0> fine here
+<quantumsummers_> coming up, 35.5 weeks today
+<robbat2|na> the 15th is free on my calendar
+<quantumsummers_> ok then, let it be so
+<quantumsummers_> I will email folks, who can post logs, update motions page?
+<dabbott> I will update the motion page and post the logs Mon
+<quantumsummers_> forgot to ask who was logging at the beginning
+<quantumsummers_> although I suspect we all were
+<quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks
+<dabbott> np
+<quantumsummers_> alright, anything else from the board?
+<quantumsummers_> AOB?
+<quantumsummers_> going once
+<robbat2|na> none from me
+<quantumsummers_> going twice
+<rich0> none here
+<quantumsummers_> dabbott?
+<quantumsummers_> going thrice
+<dabbott> none here
+<quantumsummers_> sold, no AOB
+<quantumsummers_> ok then
+<quantumsummers_> OPEN FLOOR
+<quantumsummers_> anyone who wishes to bring matters to the board, please speak nowe
+* quantumsummers_ looks around
+<quantumsummers_> anyone?
+<rich0> Buhler?
+* quantumsummers_ waits 15 more seconds
+<quantumsummers_> 5,4,3,2,1
+<quantumsummers_> ok meeting adorned. Thank you, fellow board members, for attending.
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+18:42 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to open the last trustee meeting before the 2011 elections
+18:42 -!- quantumsummers|a is now known as quantumsummers
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call - I'm logging
+18:42 <@quantumsummers> present
+18:42 < tsunam> I'm ere
+18:42 < tsunam> here even
+18:42 <@robbat2> present
+18:42 <@dabbott> here
+18:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 2 Old Business
+18:43 <@NeddySeagoon> 2011 Trustee Election Status Report
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, and robbat2 retire by rotation. Nominations will be help in Feb, exact dates to be determined by the elections project, voting will be in March
+18:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Today is the recording date
+18:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you want to say a few words ?
+18:45 < tsunam> sure thing I'll do that now
+18:46 < tsunam> As most are aware a few months ago I had some issues with my health. This caused me to step away from my duties for a not insignificant time period
+18:46 < tsunam> Due to this and luckily by design of how we setup everything the business was able to continue uninterupted.
+18:47 <@NeddySeagoon> good planning that
+18:47 < tsunam> However, it also made me consider things in my life including my work for the foundation. What I found is that although I love the work that I've done for the foundation and the members of the foundation I've had the pleasure to work with
+18:48 < tsunam> that I believe it is time for me to step down during the next election cycle from my position as a trustee and a treasurer, and allow someone who has more motivation and capabilities then I can bring to the positions that people have entrusted to me
+18:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to propose a vote of thanks to tsunam for his work over the last three years
+18:49 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+18:50 <@robbat2> aye
+18:50 <@dabbott> aye
+18:50 <@quantumsummers> aye. Many Thanks Joshua, many thanks
+18:50 -!- willikins [~rbot@gentoo/bot/Willikins] has joined #gentoo-trustees
+18:50 < tsunam> thank you all :) as its about me I need to abstain ;)
+18:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks for all the hard work tsunam. Make sure we don't owe you money before you leave.
+18:51 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: will do
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Another motion ...
+18:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the board endorses the reelection of robbat2 and quantumsummers (if they want to stand)
+18:52 <@dabbott> seconded
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+18:52 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+18:52 < tsunam> aye
+18:52 <@dabbott> yes
+18:52 <@quantumsummers> yes
+18:52 <@robbat2> aye
+18:53 <@quantumsummers> I do plan to stand again, for the record, and really appreciate the endorsement of the board
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried ... I'll ensure that gets into the notices.
+18:53 <@robbat2> likewise, I intend to run again, many thanks for the endorsement
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll poke elections too
+18:54 <@dabbott> thanks to both ++
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more for elections ?
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> I am prepared to make the voters list
+18:54 <@quantumsummers> that is all from me
+18:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center)
+18:56 <@quantumsummers> ok, so just about everything going on right now is waiting on SFLC. Had a long conversation week before last, following up, doing some new stuff, etc,etc
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we shou;ld list the questions on the agenda maybe
+18:56 <@dabbott> yep
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Is the SFLC being responsive ?
+18:56 <@quantumsummers> so, the list: cla, the one I proposed was too permissive in license (bsd-ish), recommends fsf version
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> ah, NeddySeagoon, well it takes a long time to get things done with them
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> they are responsive, just I have to keep poking them for things or they appear to forget
+18:57 <@quantumsummers> or are just really busy
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> We seem to have a fair bit with them ... do we need to set priorities to get things turned around in the order we need or is it just 'lawyers at work' ?
+18:58 <@quantumsummers> there are priorities they are aware of
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> anyway, back to the list: tax status: long bit here, summed up in the following. SFLC is appointing some junior attorney to handle working with me directly on this. I think this will make things go faster.
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good
+18:59 <@quantumsummers> further, it appears there has been a change in attitude at the IRS, they are slowing down processing of floss applications
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Care to estimage when our 503(c) application will go in ?
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> this might make our petition to them greatly extended
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> its all in sflc court now, their guy is getting with me to collect all my docs, then they have a fair bit of writing ahead of them
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't influence the IRS bit
+19:00 <@quantumsummers> not likely
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> It sounds positive, just slow
+19:01 <@quantumsummers> if its denied, we will have to appeal in federal court (sflc would handle this of course) our attorney is experiencing this with another group now
+19:01 <@quantumsummers> but yes, I am positive. its just likely going to take awhile
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - good practice
+19:02 < tsunam> heh
+19:02 < tsunam> progress is progress...and one should never expect speed when it comes to the government..unless you owe them money :)
+19:02 <@quantumsummers> now, this is mentioned below, but the libtxc_dxtn bit is also awaiting response
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that must be the same all over the world :)
+19:03 <@quantumsummers> so, also discussed the transition of tsunam away from the foundation and the record keeping, etc required
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it sounds like you are on top of things with the SFLC ... is there any more you need to share with us in public ?
+19:04 < tsunam> I've provided a list of some items previously when I brought it up, but added at least one thing to the list.
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> I am keeping a repo with a journal and any/all files dealt with in the process
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> yes, thanks tsunam for the list
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> very helpful. ducks will line up
+19:05 <@quantumsummers> is there anything else I need to report on?
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. quantumsummers who else has access? I'm aware you are a single point of failure during the transition
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> yes, this is a personal repo at the moment. I would push to git.o.g.o if others want access
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> it would have to be a private repo, of course
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, long term, you cannot be both sec and treasurer
+19:06 <@robbat2> there should be proper private repos on git.g.o sometime in the next few weeks
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: noted, thanks.
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> its too much work for one
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I know, we need a new treas
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> yep
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> I think its small enough now that I can easily manage for now
+19:07 < tsunam> we do have some people who offered to help that were financial types that quantumsummers and I were interacting with that would be perfect for the position of treasurer
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> That has to be on the agenda for April, when we have the AGM
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> yes, I have one particular candidate that has offered to do bookkeeping
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, that works for me.
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> I am waiting on sflc to get me the proper docs for this person to sign regarding non-disclosure, privacy, etc
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> treasurer is an officer so it need not be a board member
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> once we have the legal in place I would like to "test drive" this candidate (and others if needed)
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, is this individual interested in becoming a gentoo staffer ?
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: correct. It would be nice to have some one we know/trust as there will be signatures involved, etc
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> these individuals*
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I would think so, though I have not discussed this specifically
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> they need to do the staff quiz
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> I guess it would be a requirement
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Not specifically - but it shows a little comittment
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> any more SFLC stuff?
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> nope.
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> one unrelated bit, I have sent reimbursement checks to the GSOC mentors
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+19:12 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, err, you missed me
+19:12 <@robbat2> re UltraDNS followup
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe - sorry robbat2 UltraDNS Wrapup
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems to all be still working ...
+19:13 <@robbat2> ok, we successfully did the final BIND migration on Dec 27th
+19:13 <@robbat2> there's one more technical backend bit waiting for the private git repos, but we're operational already
+19:13 <@robbat2> in terms of paperwork
+19:13 <@robbat2> we were concerned about being billed for the last month due to when we gave notice
+19:14 <@robbat2> there wasn't any problems there at all. Our "official cancel date" for to make the Neustar paperwork easier on their end is 2011/01/31.
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds good
+19:14 <@robbat2> my contact at Neustar wishes us all the best in future
+19:15 <@robbat2> that's everything :-)
+19:16 * NeddySeagoon proposes a vote of thanks to gentoo-infra for the seamless migration of our DNS
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> seconded
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote
+19:16 < tsunam> aye
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> aye
+19:16 <@dabbott> yes hire them
+19:16 <@robbat2> abstain since it's about infra/me
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried.
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to infra@
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766
+19:17 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> If this isn't already in the post, we may as well wait until the election results are known
+19:18 < tsunam> I've not sent an update
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> some of this this went in with our annual report
+19:19 <@dabbott> we should just wait
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> I can handle this once the election is done
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> its a simple form
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok - thanks
+19:19 <@dabbott> also can we help with bug 351045
+19:19 < willikins> dabbott: https://bugs.gentoo.org/351045 "www site needs a privacy policy"; Website www.gentoo.org, Social Contract; NEW; robbat2@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> that is alsoi in the hands of sflc
+19:20 <@dabbott> ok good enough
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> I wrote them about this and mentioned the fedora example
+19:20 <@robbat2> should we get a draft together for them first?
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> I have a few issues with the fedora version
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> actually, sure. I started working on a draft last week :)
+19:20 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, can you list those issues in the bug?
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> yes I cah
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> can
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: it would be helpful to know what we do store for example in ldap, versus forums, etc
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> we can switch out our stuff for the fedora stuff
+19:22 <@robbat2> ok I can answer that on the bug for better tracking
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> then I think it comes down to tightening the third party data sharing language
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> ok, great
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more bugs ?
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> there are a few
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> bug 285549
+19:23 < willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> do we need to discuss them here
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> also with SFLC
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> oh, up to you chairman
+19:24 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps I just have way too many things on hte sflc plate at the moment, there are like 15 items
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> No point in going through bugs that have not changed
+19:24 <@quantumsummers> heh, we can move on & use bugz for this stuff
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Adding patent-unsafe package (libtxc_dxtn)
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> also with sflc now
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> err, as oif a wekk or so ago
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: is there any precedent for this in the portage tree?
+19:26 <@quantumsummers> seems truetype-ish
+19:26 <@robbat2> hmm
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> leave it with sflc
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers Andreas H?ttel and Bernard Cafarelli
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye for both
+19:27 <@dabbott> yes to both
+19:27 < tsunam> yes on both
+19:27 <@quantumsummers> aye for both
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?
+19:28 <@robbat2> aye
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Community Members Mike Gilbert
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye
+19:28 <@robbat2> aye
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> aye
+19:29 <@dabbott> yes
+19:29 < tsunam> abstain as i didn't review
+19:29 < tsunam> what he has done etc
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> herd tester
+19:29 < tsunam> ah
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> for chromium I believe
+19:29 <@dabbott> he also bug wrangles
+19:29 < tsunam> *nods*
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Advertising Requests - none
+19:29 < tsunam> good to know
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 20th Feb 2011 19:00 UTC
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> +1
+19:30 <@dabbott> good here
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +1
+19:30 <@robbat2> +1
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam ?
+19:30 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: put the log here please foundation/en/minutes/2011
+19:31 < tsunam> that's fine
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok.
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ...
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I have some ...
+19:31 <@robbat2> none from me at this time
+19:32 <@dabbott> I will do the motions and quantumsummers when you get the repo set up I can help keep track of the items for sflc if you want
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, volunteered me to speak a FOSDEM on a joint Foundation/Council/Devrel platform, about the future organisation of gentoo
+19:32 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ok thank
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> I' mailed trustees@ for feedback and I had two replies.
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I gave some feedback in this channel, shall I email it for the record?
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Do I have to speak as an individual, or can I speak on behalf of the Foundation
+19:33 < tsunam> I'm fine with you speaking on behalf of the foundation
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, no need, I have the log
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: on behalf of the foundation would be nice, I think we should all participate in the draft though
+19:34 <@robbat2> i trust Neddy, i'd like to read what he says, but I don't need to see a draft
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I will try to get the draft slides out before the end of next weekend
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> sounds excellent
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll try to record it - voice only. I've got a new toy to take to fosdem :)
+19:35 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: sounds interesting, I am not knowledgable enough on the subject to offer much feedback
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> nice :)
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok, we can clear up the odds and ends on the alias.
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if you update the members list with the new members today, I'll check it over.
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> I can email that out asap
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I have to update the +V list here too
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> gotcha
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more 'other business' ?
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> well ...
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> j/k none from me
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:38 * NeddySeagoon will will post the log
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page?
+19:39 * dabbott motions
+19:39 <@quantumsummers> thanks dabbott
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like I volunteered for the emails already
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 Open Floor
+19:40 <@dabbott> np looks like 4 i will recheck the log
+19:41 * NeddySeagoon bands the gavel to close the meeting