20:01 * bluebottle bangs the gavel to call the September meeting to order 20:01 <@bluebottle> roll call 20:01 <@dabbott> here 20:02 <@bluebottle> I'm on my netbook as my main box just locked up 20:02 <@quantumsummers> present 20:02 <@bluebottle> quantumsummers, robbat2 20:02 <@rich0> here 20:03 <@bluebottle> robbat2, 20:03 <@bluebottle> OK lets start ... would someone else like to chair? 20:03 <@robbat2> hi 20:03 <@bluebottle> 1024x800 is a bit cramped 20:03 <@robbat2> just in time :-) 20:04 <@quantumsummers> bluebottle: I can chair, if you like. 20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks. My main box just decided to speak to me 20:05 <@quantumsummers> it happens ;) 20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Whos logging ? I am 20:05 <@robbat2> my logs are always on 20:05 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon, for logging. 20:05 <@quantumsummers> 3) Old business. 20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> carry on quantumsummers you have the chair 20:06 <@quantumsummers> Looks like its me. :) 20:06 * NeddySeagoon passes the gavel 20:06 <@quantumsummers> thanks 20:06 <@quantumsummers> ok, 1.) Financials 20:06 <@quantumsummers> 1.1 robbat2 still need send you the files for archival 20:07 <@quantumsummers> 1.2 working on xml-ing the report 20:07 <@robbat2> yeah, also I wanted to see about Ledger format for them (for anonymized publication) 20:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: right, that is fine. We do need to redact the hell out of the paypalfiles 20:08 <@quantumsummers> that is trivial, mostly 20:08 < darkside_> ls 20:08 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: hmm? 20:09 < darkside_> sorry 20:09 <@quantumsummers> ok 20:09 <@quantumsummers> \np 20:09 <@quantumsummers> 2. SFLC 20:09 <@robbat2> re that really quickly, the best form I came up with is replacing it with [paypal-user-$TIMESTAMP], so correlations (publishing patterns of the same person) can be avoided 20:09 <@quantumsummers> replacing what exactly? 20:10 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:10 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, their name in the Ledger source 20:10 <@robbat2> anyway, reso later 20:10 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I see. Why not strip it before converting to Ledger? 20:10 <@robbat2> i'll show you later 20:10 <@quantumsummers> ok 20:10 <@quantumsummers> 2. SFLC nothing to report. 20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to make each and every paypal transaction public? We need to keep traceability internally. Is a periodic total adequate ? 20:11 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, i was going to publish the anonymized Ledger files to show complete accounting history for us, just makes it easier to trace bugs 20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, OK. I was looking to minimise the workload 20:12 <@quantumsummers> we are not technically required to post any data beyond the reports, at least by any law in the US 20:12 <@robbat2> i have build scripts for ledgers ;-) 20:12 <@quantumsummers> cool 20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that sounds pretty minimal then 20:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, next item, CPA 20:13 <@quantumsummers> 3. CPA: they should be finished preparing this years filings in the next week or so for our review. 20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> will they be billing us ? 20:13 <@quantumsummers> so, I'll pass that around before I sign it 20:13 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, after everything is filed we will be invoiced 20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Good - like a proper business 20:14 <@quantumsummers> I expect the bill in mid October 20:14 <@rich0> Will that completely catch us up? 20:14 <@quantumsummers> we can take awhile to pay with a 1% finance fee if we need (not necessary from my POV) 20:15 <@quantumsummers> rich0: we shall see. I am optimistic that everything is in order. 20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> We should pay our bills on time - no need to incurr interest on the invoice 20:15 <@rich0> wonderful! 20:15 <@quantumsummers> Since we were able to get quite a few years of data to them, there were no real issues 20:15 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I agree 20:15 <@rich0> Agreed - no sense financing with our present situation unless you tell me the bills is $40k or something crazy. 20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats all the history we need for 501c3 too ? 20:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that is what I have been told 20:16 <@quantumsummers> we have paypal back to the beginning 20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats a huge milestone. Well done 20:16 <@quantumsummers> Thanks. It was a huge pain to download all that stuff. 20:16 <@rich0> Yes - a very nice turn of events. 20:17 <@quantumsummers> CPA was happy with the data 20:17 <@quantumsummers> they are working with it, minimal questions so far 20:17 <@quantumsummers> ok, so that is CPA 20:17 <@quantumsummers> 4) 1023 20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> The CPA needs to get this out of the way before progressing 501c3 ? 20:18 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no 20:18 <@quantumsummers> but it will all be done about the same time 20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah , ok 20:19 <@quantumsummers> I have lucked out and gotten a couple of attorneys that I am working with to bolster our bylaws 20:19 <@quantumsummers> they are working pro bono for the soncult 20:19 <@quantumsummers> *consult 20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good 20:19 <@quantumsummers> we need a bunch of additional legalese 20:19 <@quantumsummers> apparently 20:19 <@quantumsummers> its mostly boiler plate 20:20 <@quantumsummers> my wife and I are working on some of the descriptive narrative still 20:20 <@quantumsummers> Haven't had as much time as I had hoped due to deadlines with work. 20:21 <@quantumsummers> In any case, it will be ready soon enough 20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to have the membership vote on it or is its a case its 'must have' so there is nothing to vote on ? 20:22 <@quantumsummers> Much of it is required. There is no technical reason to have the membership vote. 20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> That keeps it simplle - I'm all for that 20:22 <@rich0> I'd recommend posting the proposed new bylaws to -nfp for openness. 20:22 <@quantumsummers> We will need to ratify the document, however. Then I will sign it 20:22 <@quantumsummers> rich0: Ok. not a problem. 20:23 <@quantumsummers> They will be published as part of the public record regardless 20:23 <@rich0> In the likely event that there are no strong opinions then we'll just move forward. 20:23 <@quantumsummers> Alright. Sounds fine. 20:23 <@rich0> Just trying to keep the community spirit - avoid bureaucracy but not openness. 20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, The bylaws require that we notify the members before changes come into force - so it will go the -foundation-announce list but no harm in brining it to the attention of prospective menbers too 20:24 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I agree completely, I believe the spirit is secured 20:24 <@quantumsummers> I think of the material being added like function decorators in python. 20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe 20:25 <@rich0> Agreed 20:25 <@quantumsummers> ok 20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll wait until I read it. 20:25 <@quantumsummers> any further questions for me? 20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Not from me 20:26 <@quantumsummers> 1..2..3..moving on 20:26 <@quantumsummers> Mr. Robin robbat2 Johnson 20:26 <@robbat2> yes? 20:26 <@quantumsummers> Please update us on the SSL, good sir. 20:26 <@robbat2> ah, SSL 20:27 <@robbat2> no response from any of the vendors to my questions re PII or wildcards 20:27 <@robbat2> i think all of them are in a holding pattern re the current state of the CA world 20:27 <@robbat2> it's a house of cards that's coming down 20:27 <@quantumsummers> Its that bad? 20:27 <@rich0> I was going to suggest that we could probably get a really good rate from DigiNotar. 20:28 <@robbat2> i think it's going get even worse 20:28 <@rich0> It would only be somewhat less useless than cacert. :) 20:28 <@robbat2> several things need to happen to improve the state of affairs 20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, care to summarise the issues ? 20:28 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: in that case, we may need to take some precautions of our own. 20:28 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, basically, the guy that did DigiNotar in also claims to have hit several other CAs 20:28 <@robbat2> whom have mostly denied it 20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks 20:29 <@robbat2> but so did DigiNotar at first 20:29 <@robbat2> anyway, the potential improvements: 20:30 <@robbat2> option a) CA centralization as we know it goes away, and gets replaced w/ something like Notaries/Perspectives (large-scale polling of the correctness of a cert) 20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> like the key signing web of trust ? 20:30 <@robbat2> option b) multiple things to patch up the current CA stuff: DNSSEC, HTTP cert pinning, DNS cert pinning 20:30 <@robbat2> not really 20:31 <@rich0> So, are we suggesting that we have any influence over any of this? Or, are we stuck going with the flow until it either collapses or somebody manages to get everybody to support certs in DNSSEC records? 20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I'll read up on it. No point in using meeting time to educate me 20:32 <@rich0> My sense is that despite all its warts the CA system is what currently exists, and so we have to go with it at least a little longer. 20:32 <@robbat2> i'm going to pursue what is available under option B for now 20:32 <@rich0> Now, I'm all for having the distro try to get new technologies adopted. 20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Is there any point in moving until the dust settles ? 20:33 <@robbat2> but I suggest that everybody installs perspectives/notaries in their browsers 20:33 <@robbat2> it looks likely that Chrome will have perspectives built in sometime in the very near future 20:33 <@quantumsummers> interesting 20:33 <@robbat2> there's just one design issue being worked out 20:34 <@robbat2> option a) is entirely client-side for fixes, so I can't force it 20:35 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, in terms of talking to CA's, i'll continue when they respond to me 20:35 <@robbat2> attacking the problem from as many angles as possible 20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok 20:35 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: would it be worthwhile to approach thawte? 20:36 <@robbat2> not really 20:37 <@robbat2> anyway, that's all on SSL from me 20:37 <@robbat2> i need to vanish for a sec for my wife, brb ~5-10 20:38 <@quantumsummers> alright. 20:38 <@quantumsummers> lets move to rich0's Tracker 20:38 <@rich0> Ok 20:38 <@rich0> So, the main page is actually fairly good at this point. It reflects reality (I think), and the next due column should be considered a useful reference. 20:39 -!- keytoaster [~tobias@gentoo/developer/keytoaster] has joined #gentoo-trustees 20:39 <@rich0> Maybe I'll re-sort it by the next-due date for at-a-glance reference. 20:39 <@rich0> The next real improvement would be adding in the individual activity pages so that they are useful as a reference - a 990 for dummies page, etc. 20:40 <@quantumsummers> rich0: for certain action items, I would love to see who has taken the responsibility for the task included somewhere. 20:40 <@rich0> Now, that doesn't have to mean how to do a 990 from scratch. 990 for dummies might be gather a,b,c and send to CPA. 20:40 <@rich0> quantumsummers, yes, the Who column at the front is a big gap - missed that. 20:40 <@rich0> Is that something we can quickly build consensus on here? 20:40 <@quantumsummers> probably not without Robin 20:41 <@quantumsummers> for the entirety 20:41 <@rich0> Ok, then I can send something out in email to get it moving. Maybe I'll throw out a proposal and see what all say. 20:41 <@quantumsummers> sounds great 20:41 <@quantumsummers> thanks rich0 20:41 <@rich0> I did actually get a compliment from drobbins on the whole thing. 20:41 <@dabbott> thanks rich0 20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> The who should be the office holder 20:42 <@rich0> Agreed 20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> office title* 20:42 <@rich0> Actually, I'll probably just post the title 20:42 <@rich0> yes 20:42 <@rich0> Treasurer, secretary, president, etc 20:42 <@quantumsummers> as far as documenting the standard operating procedures (i.e. what to do for 990), that is really a great idea 20:42 <@rich0> yes - I can go ahead and create more skeleton pages like the two out there, but I'll need to rely on others to provide the details. 20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If we hire a CPA to make the submissions we don't need a HOWTO 20:43 <@quantumsummers> rich0: I can provide the details on much of that stuff. 20:43 <@rich0> Well, the howto could be just a list of docs we need to provide to the CPA, how much lead time they need, and so on. 20:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: need a howto to get the correct info to the COA 20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes - good one 20:43 <@quantumsummers> in case I am hit by th ebus 20:43 <@rich0> Basically if a meteor strike takes out all trustees this will help the next generation. 20:43 <@rich0> Assuming they have a working internet. 20:44 <@quantumsummers> lets hope this does not come to pass, but prepare for it anyway 20:44 <@rich0> Oh, and the other thing the howtos will state is what to publish where for openness. 20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> yep 20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> yep 20:44 <@rich0> So basically it lets anybody audit us, and that means we're less likely to miss something. 20:44 <@quantumsummers> *cough* excellent use of a wiki ** 20:44 <@rich0> There we go - gentoo-wiki. :) 20:44 * rich0 ducks 20:45 <@quantumsummers> rich0: anything further? 20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - it would be a start 20:45 <@rich0> No, I think that sums it up. I'll see if I can focus next on the roles/responsibilities. 20:45 <@quantumsummers> ok, thanks rich0. 20:45 <@quantumsummers> Lets move on to bugs, shall we? 20:45 <@rich0> sure 20:45 <@dabbott> Nothing much new in the bugs department 20:46 <@quantumsummers> dabbott ok. I have let those silde under my radar I think. 20:47 <@quantumsummers> so, I should move on? 20:47 <@dabbott> yes we can go over them next month if needed 20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> please 20:47 <@quantumsummers> ok 20:47 <@quantumsummers> New Business 20:47 <@quantumsummers> Infra Purchase Request 20:47 <@dabbott> I think this next one is for darkside_ 20:49 <@robbat2> back 20:49 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: the infra purchase requests 20:49 -!- ABCD [~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49 <@quantumsummers> did darkside_jump out of a plane or something? where is he? :) 20:49 <@robbat2> ok, there's been some independant development on those 20:50 <@quantumsummers> do tell 20:50 <@robbat2> this channel is open, so i'll suffice to say that $bigcorp has offered us $6k for hardware 20:50 <@robbat2> the best fit for that right now, is looking like buying the VM machines with it, minus the disks, and having the foundation buy the disks 20:50 <@robbat2> very similar to the VM proposal link, just without the disks 20:51 <@robbat2> from Dell 20:51 -!- ABCD [~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd] has joined #gentoo-trustees 20:51 <@dabbott> that will work 20:51 <@robbat2> for disks, looking at buying Barracuda XT's ourselves via newegg 20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> That works - is that a donation ? 20:51 <@robbat2> as they are sub-$200 on Newegg, and Dell wants >$500/disk 20:52 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: that is excellent 20:52 <@robbat2> not cash, purchase on corporate card shipped straight to OSL 20:52 <@quantumsummers> thanks to $bigcorp 20:52 <@robbat2> we can't go over the $6k, so we need to get as close to it as possible to maximize our use of it 20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good. Thanks to $bigcorp 20:52 <@quantumsummers> and thanks to $person_that_made_it_happen 20:53 <@robbat2> i'll need to work out the details for the sponsor page during the next week 20:53 <@robbat2> but that purchase will probably happen in the same timeframe 20:53 <@robbat2> for the disks, i'll make a new purchase request 20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, so there will be a required for disks in the same timeframe ? 20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> We can vote on that on the alias 20:54 <+armin76> robbat2: what about the thing the disks go to? i can't remember the name... 20:54 <@robbat2> yes 20:54 <@robbat2> Ganeti? 20:54 <@robbat2> drbd? 20:54 <@quantumsummers> a case? 20:54 <@quantumsummers> ;) 20:54 <+armin76> yeah, the case 20:55 <@robbat2> armin76, the r415's we're ordering are supposed to have the hotswap disk caddys in them 20:55 <@robbat2> so we just pull em and install the disks 20:55 <@quantumsummers> bing bang boom 20:55 <+armin76> okay 20:55 <@quantumsummers> alrighty 20:56 <@dabbott> what about a new Masterdistfiles Machine ? 20:56 <@robbat2> disk ideas are either 4x 3TB Barracuda XT, or (2x 3TB Barracuda, 2x 300GB 15K SAS) 20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Do osl have some space waiting or do we have to swap out other hardware to make room ? 20:56 <@robbat2> either way, $1200-$2k on disks 20:56 <@robbat2> dabbott, that's why I was hoping darkside_ was here 20:57 <@quantumsummers> he was here earlier 20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Put together the purchase request. We can discuss this further if darkside_ shows up 20:57 <@quantumsummers> ok 20:57 <+armin76> i'd say there's space, power is another thing 20:57 <@quantumsummers> Lets move on then 20:57 <+armin76> but i don't think that has been discussed 20:58 <@robbat2> armin76, it's discussed before, we're good 20:58 < darkside_> pong 20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> that was timely ... 20:58 <@quantumsummers> hey darkside_ you appeared 20:59 * quantumsummers is in an electrical storm at the moment. FYI 20:59 <@robbat2> darkside_, hw proposals for new masterdistfiles box, any details? (since $bigcorp is doing the VM machines) 20:59 < darkside_> i am getting frustrated at the endless bikeshedding when we talk about hw in #-infra 21:00 < darkside_> to the point that i have just ignored it 21:01 <@robbat2> after the VM, it's just masterdistfiles+pecker that are left for replacing, how can we trim the bikeshedding? 21:01 <@dabbott> no bikeshedding here what do you need 21:01 <@rich0> Yup, from a foundation perspective we really just need a proposal and the word of infra that it makes sense. 21:02 < darkside_> we've spec'd out something and posted it to the infra alias, just need someone to order the hw. BDFL-style 21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, you are doing the work - you know what is needed - write it up, then its a done deal. 21:02 <@robbat2> i apologize for not being around more to BFDL infra into not bikeshedding 21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, post it to trustees@ with quotes if you have them 21:03 <@rich0> It isn't like we're trying to make it on the TOPS list or something - we need some servers that work... :) 21:04 < darkside_> maybe i'll just work with robbat2 via email or so to get it done 21:04 <@robbat2> yeah, maybe best 21:04 < darkside_> eliminate the by-standing audience 21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, ok. 21:05 <@rich0> Yup - lists are good for generating ideas. Bad for generating consensus. 21:05 <@quantumsummers> main thrust, iirc, is that you were considering an acquisition in the range of $6K to $11K 21:05 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: is the above still correct? 21:06 < darkside_> will be less now that alec is handling the VM stuff 21:06 <@quantumsummers> Ok. 21:06 <@quantumsummers> seems reasonable. 21:07 < darkside_> ok, that is all then. action for me: work with robbat2 personally 21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> darkside_, When we have the shopping list, we can fund it. That will end the bikeshedding 21:07 <@dabbott> robbat2, while we are at it what about a replacement for pecker 21:07 <@quantumsummers> I propose a 'Motion: Authorize darkside_ and robbat2 (working with me as payee) to specify and order server(s) not to exceed $8000. 21:07 <@dabbott> seconded 21:07 <@quantumsummers> this would exclude disks 21:08 <@robbat2> abstain 21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Its a bit early to put a value on it 21:08 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: *not to exceed* 21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Its still a bit early 21:08 <@robbat2> we'll put together a ballpark and send it to the trustees alias 21:08 <@quantumsummers> I rescind the motion 21:09 <@quantumsummers> just needs to get done. 21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't need a meeting to vote 21:09 <@rich0> robbat2, agree with your approach. I think it will get quick attention here. 21:09 <@dabbott> unseconded :) 21:09 <@rich0> Yup, we can approve on the alias. 21:09 <@quantumsummers> Very well, moving along :) 21:09 < darkside_> it makes things easier that alec stepped in 21:09 < darkside_> should go better now 21:09 <@quantumsummers> glad to hear it 21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> We only need 3 Aye votes too 21:10 <@quantumsummers> Next Up: KDE Akademy 2012 Support 21:10 <@quantumsummers> tampakrap and differentreality are here to answer questions. 21:10 < differentreality> yep :) 21:10 <+tampakrap> hello :) 21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> It seems the support is in two parts 21:11 <@quantumsummers> I have read the document and related email material. 21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> a) endoresment 21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> b) funding 21:11 <@quantumsummers> right 21:11 <@dabbott> correct 21:11 <+tampakrap> for now, only the first part is needed to discuss 21:11 <+tampakrap> funding will be raised again if we get accepted 21:11 <@robbat2> if we endorse it, and there are no other funders, are we on the hook for it? 21:12 <@robbat2> have other akademy's been break-even or better? 21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the foundation endorse this attepmpt to host KDE Akademy 2012 21:12 <@quantumsummers> seconded 21:12 < differentreality> robbat2, Not at all, funding is a separate issue, we definitely do not expect just one sponsor to cover the event :) 21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, No. Much of the funding comes from KDE .e.v. 21:13 <@robbat2> ok, then one last question: how much event-planning experience do either tampakrap / differentreality have? 21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I would expect to fund something later is the approach is successful 21:14 <@rich0> I certainly have no objections to endorsing the proposal. No big issues with a modest sponsorship of some kind. Gentoo has always had a vibrant KDE community and I'd say we're one of the better KDE distros out there. 21:15 <@rich0> Oh, and does upstream consider this the right way to go about things? It certainly isn't our intent to meddle either. 21:15 <+tampakrap> robbat2: we both have participated and organized many small and big linux events, including fosscomm 2009 (biggest annual greek event) in my city, and fosscomm 2010 in differentreality's city 21:15 <+tampakrap> i can send you a list 21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, tampakrap expanded on that in an email. KDE .e.V provide support too 21:15 < differentreality> I have experience with many small / local events, mostly in my uni, as well as national event of FOSSCOMM 2010 which was held in Thessaloniki, Greece (this is where I'm from) and was a success (at least for greek foss community) with 500 people - I was main organizer/coordinator so I had to do a little bit of everything from arranging parallel presentations/workshops to dealing with the sponsorships and financial issues. I am also co- 21:15 < differentreality> founder of the linux users group in my university as well as one of the two people that created IEEE student branch in my uni, which I currently actively coordinate too. 21:15 <@robbat2> (i'm behind on my email due to electrical work at home yesterday) 21:16 <@robbat2> ok, that's reasonable for the scale of Akademy 21:16 <@robbat2> no further questions from me 21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Any more Questions on endorsement ? 21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Please vote 21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye 21:16 <@robbat2> Aye 21:16 <@quantumsummers> Aye 21:17 <@dabbott> yes 21:17 <@rich0> aye 21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> rich0, ? 21:17 <@quantumsummers> Motion carried. 21:17 <+tampakrap> thank you guys, we really appreciate it 21:17 < differentreality> thanks :) 21:17 <@quantumsummers> Good luck on the application 21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, differentreality You have our unamouns endorement - good luck. 21:17 <@dabbott> good luck tampakrap differentreality 21:17 <@robbat2> tampakrap, minor comment, if you do win, please make sure there are vegetarian options for all meals 21:17 <@quantumsummers> +1 21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap do you need something from the Foundation to support your application ? 21:18 <@robbat2> (coming from the perspective of some local friends that are KDE devs and go to Akademy, and have had food troubles a few times) 21:18 <+tampakrap> robbat2: that is actually one of the requirements :) 21:18 < differentreality> robbat2, we already have it in mind - it surely will happen 21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap do you need something from the Foundation to support your application ? 21:18 -!- idl0r [~idl0r@gentoo/developer/idl0r] has joined #gentoo-trustees 21:19 <+tampakrap> NeddySeagoon: sure, is a certificate possible? 21:19 <+tampakrap> a letter or something 21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> tampakrap, Lets discuss after the meeting 21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> A letter, yes 21:20 <+tampakrap> sure, i can discuss it with Matt afterwards 21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sorry - I'm userping your chair 21:20 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: no biggie, you can have it back anytime 21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, please continue 21:21 <@quantumsummers> *Membership Applications* 21:21 <@dabbott> Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) late addition 21:21 <@quantumsummers> Senior Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera is requesting membership to the foundation as a developer 21:21 <@dabbott> yes 21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye 21:22 <@rich0> aye 21:22 <@quantumsummers> aye 21:22 <@robbat2> aye 21:22 <@quantumsummers> Congrats 21:22 <@quantumsummers> to Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (aka klondike) 21:23 <@quantumsummers> Lets do the cleanup 21:23 <@NeddySeagoon> 16th is good for me 21:23 <@quantumsummers> fine by me 21:23 <@dabbott> fine here also 21:23 <@quantumsummers> err wait a sec 21:23 <@quantumsummers> sorry 21:24 <@quantumsummers> I should be able to attend 21:24 <@robbat2> 16th is good for me, 23/30th are really bad 21:24 <@quantumsummers> however I have lots of family in town, as we are having a baby shower on Saturday 21:24 <@quantumsummers> I can make it though, at least for most 21:25 <@quantumsummers> Date of Next Meeting is Set - 16th Oct 2011 19:00 UTC 21:25 <@rich0> sounds good 21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> That would involve lots of drink here - go careful with your hangover 21:25 <@robbat2> +1 21:25 <@robbat2> (on the meeting, not the hangover) 21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> heh 21:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we shall see 21:26 <@quantumsummers> Any Other Business?? 21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item 21:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: you have the floor 21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> The approch from the individual at Oracle .. There seems to be some enthusiasim to follow it up but it will need developer buy in. Should I post the message to -core 21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> It we do get support from $bigcorp it will involve $work 21:29 <@rich0> I think posting to -core makes sense, but it seems like the council already has a fair bit of support from it. 21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> but they are not going to do all the work 21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post to -core 21:30 <@rich0> Maybe ask on -core who is willing to make some kind of general commitment if the proposal is accepted? 21:30 <@rich0> Ie a few hours per week. 21:30 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I, for one, would be willing to do a good amount of this $work as it is a general part of my day anyway. 21:31 <@rich0> Yup, I was surprised by the amount of enthusiasm, so I think we'd be able to hold up our end of things. 21:31 <@quantumsummers> I think so. 21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> yep. I don't want to end up leading just becase I'm point of contact just now 21:31 <@rich0> Still a bit of a long shot just the same. 21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> its worth following up 21:31 <@rich0> Maybe solicit somebody to lead the effort then. 21:31 <@rich0> Having a leader goes a long way. 21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, volunteered 21:32 <@dabbott> a good leader I must say 21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post to -core and write to the guy with an update 21:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: CC or introduce me please. 21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sure 21:33 <@quantumsummers> Lets see what the real details are 21:33 <@quantumsummers> I am happy to get this started and make sure its not a dud 21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> That was my item 21:33 <@quantumsummers> damn lightning is scaring my youngest cat, LOL 21:34 <@quantumsummers> strike nearby...anyway 21:34 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon 21:34 <@quantumsummers> anyone else for AOB? 21:34 <@robbat2> minor note i'll be offline for a chunk of the week 21:34 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: everything alright? 21:35 <@robbat2> furnace failed entirely, and the propety manager is having a guy replace it 21:35 <@quantumsummers> oh that is good fun' 21:35 <@robbat2> but to do so needs some actual construction work to comply w/ newer building codes 21:35 <@robbat2> which happens to be in the ceiling RIGHT above my desk 21:35 <@quantumsummers> even better. 21:35 <@quantumsummers> take a vacation! 21:35 <@quantumsummers> while you have a chance 21:35 <@robbat2> lol, so i'm packing up my desktop etc 21:36 <@quantumsummers> ok. well good luck sir 21:36 <@quantumsummers> Anyone/thing else? 21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write the email to Klondike etc. I'll work up a form of words with tampakrap too 21:37 <@quantumsummers> thanks thanks 21:37 <@dabbott> I can do the minutes and motions as it is all in the same place pretty much 21:37 <@quantumsummers> dabbott will you update the motions? 21:37 <@quantumsummers> ah, many thanks 21:37 <@quantumsummers> Thank you NeddySeagoon and dabbott. 21:37 <@quantumsummers> Thusly, it is Open Floor 21:38 <@quantumsummers> Anyone wishing to speak should do so now or hold you peace until the next meeting (or send official business via email). 21:39 * NeddySeagoon drops a pin 21:39 <@quantumsummers> :) going once, twice, three 21:39 <@quantumsummers> times 21:39 <@quantumsummers> a lady 21:39 * quantumsummers bangs the gavel. Meeting is closed.