Jul 21 15:05:54 Roll call ... my logger is here Jul 21 15:05:57 here Jul 21 15:06:13 present && i am logging and will post Jul 21 15:06:25 quantumsummers|c, _robbat21irssi Jul 21 15:06:40 <_robbat21irssi> present Jul 21 15:07:03 We have a quorum ... not including rich0 Jul 21 15:07:05 hello Jul 21 15:07:13 Hi quantumsummers|c Jul 21 15:07:22 hi quantumsummers|c rich0 Jul 21 15:07:26 howdy Jul 21 15:07:43 Item 1. rich0s planned withdrawal from being a trustee, now he is elected to council Jul 21 15:08:27 Discussion on the list was to offer rich0 the office of assistant secretary until the AGM Jul 21 15:08:29 I'm fine with accepting the asst secretary position in the interim. Let's re-eval after the new board forms. Jul 21 15:09:02 +1 Jul 21 15:09:04 rich0: I really liked the way you kept us informed by the activity tracker Jul 21 15:09:19 I would like to extend the term to 15 Sep. Its a bit unfiar on the new board to need to decide at the AGM Jul 21 15:09:33 +1 Jul 21 15:09:41 +1 Jul 21 15:09:43 sure Jul 21 15:10:32 #Motion to appoint rich0 to the office of Asst Sec until 15 Sep 2013. Position to be reconsided at that date Jul 21 15:10:39 seconded Jul 21 15:10:46 vote please Jul 21 15:10:48 aye Jul 21 15:10:49 aye Jul 21 15:10:49 <_robbat21irssi> aye Jul 21 15:10:52 aye Jul 21 15:10:57 carried Jul 21 15:11:15 thanks :) I think... Jul 21 15:11:45 rich0, should stay on the alias meanwhile but lose his vote on the bord and not count towards a meeting quorum Jul 21 15:11:53 Ok for your first job ... :) Jul 21 15:12:19 dabbott: don't get carried away unless you plan to double my salary... Jul 21 15:12:29 triple it! Jul 21 15:12:45 rich0, thats easy ... 2x nothing is still nothing Jul 21 15:12:57 don't remind me Jul 21 15:13:04 Old business ... Trustee Election Jul 21 15:13:22 Its in the hands of elections nothing to add there. Jul 21 15:13:36 <_robbat21irssi> (i'm here, just minor work emergency) Jul 21 15:14:05 Do we need to clarifiy that trustees retain their seats and responsibilities until the end of the AGM ? Jul 21 15:14:21 That was always the intent Jul 21 15:14:52 whats the wording currently Jul 21 15:15:38 Its just not clear. Normally new trustees would be elected at the AGM, not before it Jul 21 15:15:56 Thats not practical for us Jul 21 15:16:20 quantumsummers|c, anything on the CPA or 501(c)(3) registration status ? Jul 21 15:16:26 Just about any company makes its new board effective at the end of the AGM. Jul 21 15:16:43 A board can't really claim to have done due diligence voting on matters they were not privy to 10 minutes earlier. Jul 21 15:16:49 NeddySeagoon: I thought the Bylaws stated that new board members start their term at the AGM? Jul 21 15:16:57 NeddySeagoon: nothing to report yet, just getting the summary data to them. I will have draft report prepared over the next couple weeks Jul 21 15:17:26 quantumsummers|c, to present at the AGM? That would be good timing Jul 21 15:17:34 yes, of course Jul 21 15:17:39 :) Jul 21 15:17:55 drafts will be passed around prior Jul 21 15:18:11 mainly so you guys can check the work ;) Jul 21 15:18:13 rich0, your bit. Foundation Activity Tracker I think this goes with your new office Jul 21 15:18:56 Uh, sure... :) Not really much to say - the AGM activites are the biggest thing pending now. Jul 21 15:19:12 One thing I'd suggest is that when assembling the financials consider commiting as much of it as you can into the git repo. Jul 21 15:19:19 (the stuff that can't be made public) Jul 21 15:19:31 sounds good. Jul 21 15:21:07 Reminder for the AGM, we will need Secy, treasuerers and presidents reports Jul 21 15:21:31 rich0: yes, I am getting the entire history ready to commit Jul 21 15:21:38 mainly data files Jul 21 15:21:45 however, there are a bunch of PDF files/ Jul 21 15:21:58 _robbat21irssi: do you mind if I commit those? Jul 21 15:22:20 they are blobs Jul 21 15:22:27 <_robbat21irssi> i'll review them with you after the meeting Jul 21 15:22:28 Item 4 Open Trustee Bugs Jul 21 15:22:28 ok Jul 21 15:22:32 Is there anything there we need to review today ? Jul 21 15:22:43 Bug 476722 Jul 21 15:22:56 Capturing it in whatever format it is in is more important than making it pretty. Jul 21 15:23:05 oops, that is new Jul 21 15:23:15 My two cents. Long-term we should move to standard formats, but the bus factor is a bigger issue I think. Jul 21 15:23:27 I do have soemthing for bug 471266 Jul 21 15:23:31 quantumsummers|c, its not in my trustee list Jul 21 15:23:35 rich0: you are talking about bank stuff right? Jul 21 15:24:00 so what I have are csv files for each year for each account (and monthly for paypal) Jul 21 15:24:08 I also have PDFs of statements from the banks Jul 21 15:24:11 that is it Jul 21 15:24:38 there may be some other PDFs too, scans of things like EIN, etc Jul 21 15:24:54 NeddySeagoon: yes, its in the list, the potential Iranian dev Jul 21 15:25:05 I think it is private, so I shall comment there Jul 21 15:25:08 Bug 471266 - (sobhan) New Developer: Sobhan Mohammadpour (sobhan) Jul 21 15:26:30 hmm, that bug does not contain the stuff Jul 21 15:26:32 anyway, I am in conversation with sflc regarding this Jul 21 15:26:33 we have a new council also Jul 21 15:26:34 our previous fellow left and did not give notice to us Jul 21 15:26:34 quantumsummers|c, lets leave it to sflc Jul 21 15:26:35 so I talked with Dr. Moglen and we have a new council now\ Jul 21 15:26:38 I think that saving PDFs of what we get isn't a bad idea for legal reasons. Wish git wasn't write-once-never-dispose-of though. Legally we might want to think about retention at some point (but right now we're certainly not saving too much). Jul 21 15:27:03 Not sure the council matters here - this is entirely a legal issue. Jul 21 15:27:13 rich0: git can nuke old stuff just fine, but it is a little tricky Jul 21 15:27:16 If we were talking about qualifications or something the council would be more relevant. Jul 21 15:28:01 rich0: all financial info/data I have saved, all of it Jul 21 15:28:07 we have SOX compliance to mind Jul 21 15:28:14 which I am taking care of Jul 21 15:28:14 I think that issue is basically waiting on legal council. From what I've read it probably isn't an issue for being a dev so much, but he could probably never be reimbursed/etc. Jul 21 15:28:33 quantumsummers|c: the bug you want is 472574 Jul 21 15:28:36 rich0, thats my view of the world too Jul 21 15:28:48 well, that depends though, since he is in an embargoed country, we may not be able to take his code contrib either Jul 21 15:29:04 So either we go ahead without legal advice, or keep pushing on getting the legal advice. Jul 21 15:29:12 which is one thing I need to dicover, whether he has contrib or not Jul 21 15:29:20 I'm fine with getting legal device. Jul 21 15:29:25 we are getting advice now, do that is good Jul 21 15:29:32 s/do/so/ Jul 21 15:29:55 If we're getting advice, I suggest we table the issue - no point in speculating if we've decided to get counsel. Better to wait until we can move forward. Jul 21 15:30:12 +1 Jul 21 15:30:20 <_robbat21irssi> +1 Jul 21 15:31:40 yep Jul 21 15:31:47 _robbat21irssi: can you handle Bug 477374 Jul 21 15:32:02 anything else from the bugs list ? Jul 21 15:32:25 should we give that company a sidebar thing for $500? Jul 21 15:33:02 as far as the discussion, we had it and he was fine with not being in there before due to the smallish donation Jul 21 15:33:29 also, if anyone noticed the transfer from paypal (9000 USD) we did get a donation from a Limey of $5000 Jul 21 15:33:35 quantumsummers|c not for a one time donation unless the side bar ad is time limited Jul 21 15:33:38 err Brit LD Jul 21 15:33:59 quantumsummers|c, I know what you meant :) Jul 21 15:34:03 this new donor asked for nothing Jul 21 15:34:25 and made sure he was clear in his offer for further donations in the future Jul 21 15:34:36 nice fellow Jul 21 15:34:45 <_robbat21irssi> dabbott: bug 477374: done, asked him for his new logo Jul 21 15:34:47 (I'll shut up now, that was it) Jul 21 15:35:05 _robbat21irssi: thanks Jul 21 15:35:32 <_robbat21irssi> re sidebar donations, should we set a min target for them? Jul 21 15:35:34 likely, yes Jul 21 15:35:35 side bar ads are for ongoing donations Jul 21 15:35:36 <_robbat21irssi> also that Jul 21 15:35:45 quantumsummers|c: did the fellow want his nick to be known sure would like to thank him personally Jul 21 15:35:50 _robbat21irssi: can you give an estimate of what the value is of current sidebar holders? Jul 21 15:36:09 I thanked him profusely via email Jul 21 15:36:17 that seemed enough to him Jul 21 15:36:35 and I didn't get his nickname, just email Jul 21 15:36:35 got it :) Jul 21 15:36:54 _robbat21irssi, minimum recurring target Jul 21 15:37:51 I think Morphodo Bug 476722 got mixed in there - is it covered or not ? Jul 21 15:38:24 <_robbat21irssi> quantumsummers|c: none of them are less than $50/month worth of hardware, most are more than that Jul 21 15:38:27 if not, its the next agenda item Jul 21 15:38:27 we can do it now i added it also at the end of the agenda Jul 21 15:38:40 _robbat21irssi: ok, great. thanks Jul 21 15:39:24 one other bug, that has been bugging me a little Jul 21 15:39:28 the bitcoin donation Jul 21 15:39:33 I see no way to support this Jul 21 15:40:06 personally, I am not familiar enough with how transactions are handled with financial institutions Jul 21 15:40:14 I don't see it being useful for a while yet. Particularly as its a very volitile currency Jul 21 15:40:39 it seems like we might just have a few bitcoins laying around collecting dust, so I am not in favor of this method Jul 21 15:41:01 +1 Jul 21 15:41:02 anyone else have a comment on this? Jul 21 15:41:10 <_robbat21irssi> i'm not sure re IRS laws, but in Canada, the tax agency said you need to pay income tax on them when you convert to other currencies Jul 21 15:41:21 that seems correct Jul 21 15:41:26 <_robbat21irssi> capital gains of the growth in value etc Jul 21 15:41:31 <_robbat21irssi> like most investments Jul 21 15:41:41 I know the IRS is considering them as valueable Jul 21 15:41:53 any issues declining to accept them at this time" Jul 21 15:41:55 ? Jul 21 15:41:58 Just now, they are a PITA Jul 21 15:42:05 I agree with NeddySeagoon Jul 21 15:42:06 not from me Jul 21 15:42:26 quantumsummers|c: fine by me Jul 21 15:42:40 I'll consider that a majority Jul 21 15:42:45 <_robbat21irssi> if we accept them now, we just have to declare them as assets until we convert them Jul 21 15:42:45 <_robbat21irssi> but I don't see an issue with accepting them per se Jul 21 15:42:53 quantumsummers|c, that was carried Jul 21 15:43:04 I do not know how to handle them for an organization Jul 21 15:43:20 p2p it seems simple enough I guess Jul 21 15:43:23 _robbat21irssi, its all the paperwork that goes with them if they are ever used Jul 21 15:43:38 Lets just decline for now Jul 21 15:43:49 lets re-evaluate after some period of time not less than 6 months Jul 21 15:43:55 ok, declining Jul 21 15:44:36 Morphodo Bug 476722 - did we deal with that ? Jul 21 15:45:12 no Jul 21 15:45:27 I'm ok with a listing on the sponsors page but not the sidebar Jul 21 15:46:09 seems reasonable to me Jul 21 15:46:19 yep fine by me Jul 21 15:46:37 thats 3 yes. _robbat21irssi ? Jul 21 15:47:13 carried Jul 21 15:47:25 Membership Applications Jul 21 15:47:47 both are devs, so aye Jul 21 15:47:54 Pavlos Ratis and Chris Reffett have applied Jul 21 15:47:55 +1 Jul 21 15:47:59 Aye from me Jul 21 15:48:16 Wasn't there a community application as well? Jul 21 15:48:20 <_robbat2|irssi> sorry, freenode weirdness Jul 21 15:48:39 <_robbat2|irssi> and I don't have alternative backlog to see what I missed Jul 21 15:48:50 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:37 <@dabbott> quantumsummers|c: fine by me Jul 21 15:48:54 membership Jul 21 15:48:56 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:37 <@_robbat21irssi> if we accept them now, we just have to declare them as assets until we convert them Jul 21 15:48:56 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:37 <@_robbat21irssi> but I don't see an issue with accepting them per se Jul 21 15:48:57 _robbat21irssi: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476722 Jul 21 15:48:58 <_robbat2|irssi> 19:38 <@_robbat21irssi> maybe better as a comparision, would the foundation accept donations/assignments of stock from companies? Jul 21 15:49:04 <_robbat2|irssi> that's the last stuff I saw/said Jul 21 15:49:08 ah, we declined to support them Jul 21 15:49:12 I have updated the bug Jul 21 15:49:22 I will discuss with CPA also Jul 21 15:49:27 re-eval after some period Jul 21 15:49:45 the morphodo bug, we decided to not allow sidebar Jul 21 15:50:03 Chris Gianelloni had also applied I believe Jul 21 15:50:42 rich0: you sure about that? Jul 21 15:50:48 do you have the ID? Jul 21 15:50:53 no he just asked why he was dropped I did see him asking to re join unless i missed it Jul 21 15:50:56 I thought he dropped it, perhaps I am mistaken Jul 21 15:50:56 rich0, he asked why he wasn't on the members list. Jul 21 15:51:26 FYI - I'm getting a huge wash of what look like old messages - likely a split or something. Jul 21 15:51:27 Ah, I see, he didn't actually ask to be added back. Jul 21 15:51:42 I didn't see a follow up Jul 21 15:51:50 me either Jul 21 15:52:02 Never mind. Jul 21 15:52:03 I looked at the email again - no follow-up on his part. Jul 21 15:52:04 <_robbat2|irssi> morphodo: ok re sidebar, if they want just sponsors page, that's fine. Jul 21 15:52:08 _robbat21irssi: ok, good. Jul 21 15:52:43 Cleanup ... Jul 21 15:52:43 Date of Next Meeting - 18 Aug 2013 19:00 UTC Thats the AGM Jul 21 15:52:49 +1 Jul 21 15:52:55 <_robbat21irssi> maybe better as a comparision, would the foundation accept donations/assignments of stock from companies? Jul 21 15:53:02 ++ Jul 21 15:53:22 _robbat21irssi: thats what he said 35 a month and added to sponsors page and we voted ok Jul 21 15:53:26 _robbat21irssi: we can do that, I would have to talk with the CPA about how we should manage it of course, a Jul 21 15:54:03 _robbat21irssi, I would want notice of that question Jul 21 15:54:14 <_robbat2|irssi> wow freenode Jul 21 15:54:14 <_robbat2|irssi> i sent that 10+ mins ago Jul 21 15:54:14 <_robbat2|irssi> freenode seems to be resending stuff I said earlier Jul 21 15:54:20 weird Jul 21 15:54:44 well anyway, re: stock, I think that is much more standard asset than bitcoin and there is plenty of precendent Jul 21 15:54:45 Stock of Iranian companies ? Jul 21 15:54:48 heh Jul 21 15:54:53 funny guy, you Jul 21 15:55:04 next meeting is the AGM date is fine by me agenda from last year http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2012/201208_trustees_agenda.xml Jul 21 15:55:21 agenda should be about the same Jul 21 15:55:46 I think if the stock was traded in the USA, yes Jul 21 15:55:53 yes Jul 21 15:55:54 or EU Jul 21 15:55:55 or Japan Jul 21 15:55:56 <_robbat2|irssi> i said stock on purpose, as for Canada, it's mostly that bitcoin is being treated as mostly as stock for tax purposes Jul 21 15:55:57 all standard stocks should be ok Jul 21 15:55:59 really Jul 21 15:56:24 well, let me see what the CPA has to say. I venture a guess that they have not heard much about it Jul 21 15:56:26 I think in general we should be willing to accept donations of any kind as long as it is legal and worth the effort. Jul 21 15:56:46 If somebody offered us $10 worth of stock, probably not worth it. If somebody offered us $1M worth of bitcoins, we should probably take the time to figure out how to make it work. Jul 21 15:56:52 yes Jul 21 15:56:56 the latter being the key point Jul 21 15:56:57 quantumsummers|c, agreed. We would have to value such stock and show due digience over our investment management. That may be a pain Jul 21 15:57:03 yes Jul 21 15:57:13 or just cash in upon receipt Jul 21 15:57:26 But these shouldn't really be preferred over some form of cash. Jul 21 15:57:40 anyway, it is worth a discussion. Cash is King Jul 21 15:58:26 discussion with the CPA, I mean Jul 21 15:59:26 some weird freenode stuffs going on here Jul 21 15:59:27 we ready for AoB? Jul 21 15:59:28 because, I have .... wait for it .... Jul 21 15:59:29 nothing Jul 21 15:59:29 :-) Jul 21 16:01:35 quantumsummers|c: still thinking about creating a Missouri Corp Jul 21 16:01:36 hello? Jul 21 16:01:36 anyone see this? Jul 21 16:01:37 am I alone Jul 21 16:01:51 **dances around** king in the castle Jul 21 16:01:59 I'm here. Jul 21 16:02:03 quantumsummers|c: im here Jul 21 16:02:06 But I think we may have lost half the team. Jul 21 16:02:37 dabbott: shelved for now Jul 21 16:02:50 not really useful, extra work, etc Jul 21 16:02:57 quantumsummers|c, that would work Jul 21 16:03:30 <_robbat2|irssi> *a CPA discussion yes Jul 21 16:03:30 <_robbat2|irssi> if freenode behaves, i was going to ask for any comments on the council/infra officer discussion Jul 21 16:03:30 <_robbat2|irssi> i think maybe we can't see each other Jul 21 16:03:45 hmm, this is turning into a freenode mess Jul 21 16:03:53 _robbat2|irssi: I think you should be that officer Jul 21 16:03:55 _robbat2|irssi: see you now wecome to our world Jul 21 16:04:03 I also think we are going bust with freenode here Jul 21 16:04:05 *welcome Jul 21 16:04:25 seconded Jul 21 16:04:29 as far as council officer, we may have that with rich0 Jul 21 16:04:52 ++ Jul 21 16:05:46 Neddys still not back Jul 21 16:05:59 there went Robin Jul 21 16:06:14 ok, this is getting out of hand Jul 21 16:06:34 Any other business? Jul 21 16:06:38 dabbott? rich0? Jul 21 16:06:42 nope Jul 21 16:06:48 Hi NeddySeagoon! Jul 21 16:06:55 I called AoB while you were in the mists of freenode whackyness Jul 21 16:06:56 no response Jul 21 16:07:40 morgan.freenode.net seems pretty stable Jul 21 16:08:01 ok, well I have to go take care of some hungry baby and a toddler who just ended napping rather abruptly. Jul 21 16:08:05 I'm back Jul 21 16:08:05 quantumsummers|c we ready for AoB? Jul 21 16:08:05 hello Jul 21 16:08:05 quantumsummers|c because, I have .... wait for it .... Jul 21 16:08:06 yes Jul 21 16:08:06 quantumsummers|c nothing Jul 21 16:08:06 quantumsummers|c :-) Jul 21 16:08:06 :) Jul 21 16:08:06 quantumsummers|c hello? Jul 21 16:08:07 NeddySeagoon Oops I missed AoB Jul 21 16:08:07 quantumsummers|c anyone see this? Jul 21 16:08:07 NeddySeagoon: I am here Jul 21 16:08:08 quantumsummers|c am I alone Jul 21 16:08:08 NeddySeagoon I'm here Jul 21 16:08:09 I got that Jul 21 16:08:10 roll call - again Jul 21 16:08:10 I'm on leguin.freenode.net Jul 21 16:08:10 ok, this is crazy Jul 21 16:08:19 im on calvino.freenode.net Jul 21 16:08:43 Well, unless something changes with freenode I suggest we just wrap up via email or something. Jul 21 16:08:43 I don't see anything pressing, or any sign of AOB/etc. Jul 21 16:09:36 I will do the logs and the motions Jul 21 16:10:13 NeddySeagoon: ^^ if you return Jul 21 16:10:48 looks like just the two of us - my logger went away Jul 21 16:11:45 we agreed to wrop up in email Jul 21 16:11:48 -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify . Jul 21 16:11:48 -NickServ- You are now identified for dabbott. Jul 21 16:11:48 -NickServ- You are already logged in as dabbott. Jul 21 16:12:04 <_robbat2|irssi> i think we might need to get all of our IRC logs seperately Jul 21 16:13:19 <_robbat2|irssi> ok, whomever has the gavel, this is closed Jul 21 16:13:47 roll call _ if you want to send me your logs I will put together yours with mine to post Jul 21 16:13:58 <_robbat2|irssi> will do Jul 21 16:14:01 <_robbat2|irssi> bye for now Jul 21 16:14:16 21:04 * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting Jul 21 16:14:17 bye save me some coffee :) Jul 21 16:14:58 NeddySeagoon: send me your log and i will put it with robbins and mine Jul 21 16:15:14 dabbott, OK Jul 21 16:15:27 NeddySeagoon: i will do the log and the motions Jul 21 16:15:43 dabbott, I will do the emails to new members Jul 21 16:15:50 thanks