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I got used to that +bug... +[21:21:27] <reavertm> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247144 - another +plasma glitch (folderview) +[21:21:39] <reavertm> and most important - memory leaks in plasma-desktop +[21:21:49] <reavertm> (minor leaks, but they are there) +[21:22:19] <reavertm> dolphin tooltips issues as well as nepomuk related +crashes seen to be gone at least +[21:22:49] <tampakrap> i'd suggest let's put it in tree, but announce those +bugs and make it clear that it's not going to be stabilized +[21:22:50] <reavertm> oh, and one bug present in 4.4 alteady - +https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247204 +[21:23:07] <tampakrap> i'm getting enough spam on IRC already, and i think it +is usuable enough +[21:23:21] <tampakrap> that's my opiniion, but it is your call mostly +[21:23:24] <reavertm> with that state I don't think *any* 4.5 patch release is +going to be stabilized, I won't allow it +[21:23:31] <spatz> there are regressions in every major release but that's why +we have testing. 4.5.1 seems good enough for tree +[21:23:50] <dilfridge> seconded (I personally can work with it fine) +[21:23:53] <reavertm> unless we clearly communicate - "we know it's broken - +we reported bugs and they keep being ignored" +[21:24:17] <tampakrap> reavertm: give me a list of the bugs, i can put them on +the meeting summary +[21:24:18] <spatz> 4.4 took a lot of time to be stabilized because of +regressions too, that's how kde works, apparently +[21:24:26] <tampakrap> and put the summary on my blog on planet gentoo and kde +[21:24:32] <reavertm> I won't wrange any 4.5 bugs in our bugzilla, I want to +make it clear :P +[21:25:09] <reavertm> spatz: plasma devs utilized 'Broken Development Model" +that's why +[21:25:31] <spatz> I'm not pointing fingers, just stating facts :) +[21:26:05] <tampakrap> ok, we made our points, reavertm: your call +[21:26:13] <reavertm> tampakrap: fine, but you'll blog about it :) (with bug +links there) +[21:26:14] <tampakrap> since you fixed a couple of upstream bugs +[21:26:23] <reavertm> aah, one more blocker +[21:26:32] <reavertm> but on our side - handbooks handling +[21:26:38] <dilfridge> yes that is true +[21:26:51] <dilfridge> something is seriously broken there +[21:27:01] <tampakrap> bug #? +[21:27:28] <dilfridge> bug 296345 +[21:27:29] <reavertm> since 4.5 - docbooks are no longer bundled - so for +every +handbook we need to pull docbook stuff like for kdelibs +[21:27:30] <willikins> dilfridge: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296345 "kde 4.4.4: +Compilation error when creating help search index - bad xslt pattern"; Gentoo +Linux, KDE; NEW; ashl1future@gmail.com:kde@g.o +[21:27:49] <dilfridge> ah different problem +[21:27:52] <reavertm> err, i meant different handbook issue +[21:28:40] <tampakrap> if there is no bug #, let's open one, fix that first +and then put 4.5.1 to tree +[21:29:12] <reavertm> I can fix it anyway (my handbook isse) - for instance by +introducing KDE_HANDBOOK eclass variable instead of +handbook in IUSE (that +could hold additional handbook dirs as well) +[21:29:41] <tampakrap> ok +[21:29:49] <tampakrap> anything else on this? +[21:30:10] <reavertm> I think this is it wrt kde 4.5 +[21:30:29] <tampakrap> i have one more thing to say about it +[21:30:36] <tampakrap> not so relevant +[21:31:11] <reavertm> ? +[21:31:12] <tampakrap> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335123 +[21:31:43] <reavertm> hmm, works for me... +[21:31:45] <tampakrap> these patches don't apply to kdepimlibs 4.5.0 and i +don't know if by applying them to 4.4.5 only will break 4.5 as well +[21:31:59] <tampakrap> i can reproduce here and the patches worked on my 4.4.5 +laptop +[21:32:23] <tampakrap> so, any ideas? +[21:32:36] <reavertm> does it affect only kde 4.5 + kdepim 4.4? +[21:33:00] <reavertm> or it's some general bug? +[21:33:01] <tampakrap> the patches are meant for 4.4.5 only, haven't tested to +4.5 +[21:33:32] <tampakrap> but i don't want to introduce a new bug by applying the +patches to kmail 4.4.5 and not to kdepimlibs 4.5.x +[21:34:08] <reavertm> I'd prefer them to appear in svn.. +[21:34:13] <dilfridge> never had this problem here +[21:34:51] <tampakrap> ah they are not taken from svn +[21:34:54] <tampakrap> nice point +[21:35:04] <tampakrap> ok thanks +[21:35:10] <tampakrap> next issue i guess +[21:35:20] <tampakrap> 2) KOffice 2.2 status +[21:35:35] -*- reavertm shuts up +[21:35:46] <tampakrap> i was away because of my thesis and vacations for too +long, anyone knows the blockers of keeping this away from tree? +[21:35:48] <dilfridge> needs bump to 2.2.2 (I had no time yet but that should +not be difficult) +[21:36:10] <dilfridge> there is a "workaround" +[21:36:13] -*- reavertm disagrees, he saw multiple cmake changes and file/dir +additions/removals +[21:36:24] <dilfridge> ok have not checked yet +[21:36:58] <dilfridge> considering kchart +[21:37:10] <reavertm> I see when do svn update in koffice occassionally, it +needs someone to closely follow up - and in our case when it's been abandoned +for a while - full review from scratch likely +[21:37:27] <dilfridge> The libraries do not link if kchart is not built at the +same time, so what I did was +[21:37:48] <dilfridge> do make a dummy ebuild for kchart for the meantime. +[21:37:51] <reavertm> KMCOMPILECONLY can be used +[21:38:06] <dilfridge> well it is done in koffice-libs +[21:38:17] <dilfridge> but I wanted to keep something named kchart in portage +[21:38:26] <dilfridge> so later upgrade remains painless +[21:38:42] <reavertm> is it standalone app? +[21:38:55] <dilfridge> so, now koffice-libs also installs kchart, and kchart +does, well, nothing +[21:39:13] <dilfridge> no I think only library +[21:39:37] <tampakrap> i see +[21:39:43] <dilfridge> apart from that nobody gave me negative feedback on +2.2.1 yet +[21:39:50] <tampakrap> i'd appreciate if there were more comments on the bug +[21:39:56] <tampakrap> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322147 +[21:39:59] <reavertm> then should be in koffice-libs imho - I'd like to avoid +creating excessive libraries like used to be in kdepim +[21:40:00] --> pesa +(~Pesa@host169-125-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined +#gentoo-meetings +[21:40:02] <tampakrap> and i could help you with it +[21:40:20] <tampakrap> i agree with that +[21:40:48] <dilfridge> fine with me... but the plan is that kchart can be +built separately again with 2.3 +[21:41:33] <tampakrap> is it already done in the live ebuilds? +[21:41:47] <dilfridge> did not check yet +[21:41:51] <tampakrap> ok +[21:41:51] <reavertm> maybe they'll just add some host for that kpart, then +kchart ebuilds will be justified, (but libkchart should still be in +koffice-libs imho) +[21:42:28] <reavertm> it can be embedded in any koffice app after all +[21:43:07] <tampakrap> ok, i'm done with it, dilfridge any further comments? +[21:43:15] <dilfridge> I'm kind-of-away from tomorrow for a week, so if +anything should be done quickly I'm out +[21:43:30] <dilfridge> but I guess its not that urgent +[21:43:34] -*- reavertm needs to remember how it was decided - koffice-libs +contains full functionality and kword for instance only word processor +application (but kpart is provided by koffice-libs) - or installing kword +makes kpart available +[21:43:35] <tampakrap> indeed +[21:44:08] <tampakrap> if the kpart is used by other ebuilds too it should be +in koffice-libs +[21:44:15] <tampakrap> else the split makes no sense +[21:44:35] <dilfridge> we can find that out with the dependencies / linking +[21:44:47] <dilfridge> since now all apps are for sure compiled after kchart +[21:44:52] <reavertm> no, kparts are runtime-only things mostly +[21:45:03] <dilfridge> ok true +[21:45:20] <reavertm> (well, buildtime+runtime, but can be missing at runtime) +[21:45:45] <dilfridge> i'd say we could give 2.2.1 a try +[21:45:59] -*- dilfridge keeps fingers crossed +[21:46:11] <tampakrap> ok +[21:46:24] <tampakrap> next? +[21:46:27] <reavertm> fine, but I'd suggest full review of them (for instance +to check whether all koffice subdirs are packaged in ebuilds) +[21:46:54] <dilfridge> reavertm: teach me how to do that, please! :) (in two +weeks) +[21:47:35] <tampakrap> ok next +[21:47:49] <tampakrap> for next issue i would like alexxy but he seems not to +be here +[21:47:57] <reavertm> simple - take a look at koffice/ and check subdirs one +by one against koffice ebuilds (KMEXTRA, KMCOMPILEONLY, KMEXTACTONLY) +[21:48:25] <dilfridge> ok +[21:48:48] <tampakrap> 3) KDEPIM beta packages are released +[21:48:51] <tampakrap> i'll skip it +[21:49:00] <tampakrap> and add a gentoo-desktop thread instead +[21:49:05] <reavertm> we just want whole koffice covered (or some parts +*intentionally* skipped) +[21:49:14] <dilfridge> ok +[21:49:27] <reavertm> skip it please +[21:49:36] <reavertm> I don't want kdepim betas in overlay :P +[21:49:47] <reavertm> (there are live ebuilds already) +[21:50:11] <tampakrap> sebas stated in his blog that upgrade and downgrade +would be easy since configs don't affect each other +[21:50:50] <tampakrap> either way, we'll discuss it in gentoo-desktop +[21:50:55] <tampakrap> 4) open floor +[21:51:20] <dilfridge> about digikam +[21:51:41] <dilfridge> the patches are cleaned up a lot, but it's not +completely finished yet +[21:52:02] <-- spatz (~spatz@gentoo/developer/spatz) has quit (Ping timeout: +276 seconds) +[21:52:23] <dilfridge> reavertm: if you want to have a look at it go ahead, +but dont send anything upstream yet. +[21:52:46] <dilfridge> at least 1.4.0 should now build fine +[21:53:04] <dilfridge> I'll talk with the sci guys about clapack. +[21:53:11] <reavertm> I'll wait +[21:53:21] <tampakrap> i'm also going to unmask knerworkmanager very soon, +please test +[21:53:34] <tampakrap> i'm a bit worried about the versioning though +[21:54:47] <reavertm> ah, as of open floor - I encourage people working with +live and tagged ebuilds to use kde-misc/kde-overlay-servicemenus +[21:55:07] <dilfridge> what does it do? +[21:56:00] <reavertm> I've added simple Compare/Merge service menu - in +dolphin select two files one by one to have them open in kompare (where you +can interactively sync them) +[21:56:15] <reavertm> to avoid manual copy paste +[21:56:17] <tampakrap> w00t +[21:56:19] <dilfridge> nice +[21:56:43] <tampakrap> last issue, i'm going to remove a few inactive people +from the team +[21:57:14] <tampakrap> and if there is not anything else, i guess i should +close the meeting +[21:57:33] <reavertm> thanks +[21:58:08] <tampakrap> meeting is over |