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+Jan 07 20:04:47 rl03	heh
+Jan 07 20:04:56 rl03	just pinged Stu on skype :)
+Jan 07 20:05:00 rl03	h's coming
+Jan 07 20:05:01 lares	are we still waiting on stuart?
+Jan 07 20:05:05 Stuart	lo
+Jan 07 20:05:07 Stuart	sorry
+Jan 07 20:05:10 lisa	and behold
+Jan 07 20:05:11 lares	:)
+Jan 07 20:05:15 CHTEKK	lo Stuart :)
+Jan 07 20:05:17 wrobel	;)
+Jan 07 20:05:20 wrobel	hi stuart
+Jan 07 20:05:21 rl03	Stuart--
+Jan 07 20:05:22 CHTEKK	heh you forgot :P
+Jan 07 20:05:24 rl03	:)
+Jan 07 20:05:28 Stuart	totally forgot
+Jan 07 20:05:32 rl03	he was too busy blogging about it :)
+Jan 07 20:05:36 Stuart	lol
+Jan 07 20:05:37 *	lares hears applause around
+Jan 07 20:05:41 lares	:)
+Jan 07 20:05:49 CHTEKK	that's just your imagination lares :P
+Jan 07 20:05:54 Stuart	:P
+Jan 07 20:06:09 lares	well I guess i need to see my shrink
+Jan 07 20:06:11 rl03	ok, who's here for the web-apps meeting and wants to participate?
+Jan 07 20:06:18 Usage: ME <action>, sends the action to the current channel (actions are written in the 3rd person, like /me jumps)
+Jan 07 20:06:20 rl03	and how do we log this thing?
+Jan 07 20:06:21 Stuart	er, me? :)
+Jan 07 20:06:22 lares	I :)
+Jan 07 20:06:24 *	CHTEKK is here for that
+Jan 07 20:06:29 *	wrobel 
+Jan 07 20:06:32 *	rl03 
+Jan 07 20:06:38 *	Stuart 
+Jan 07 20:06:43 *	lares 
+Jan 07 20:06:46 Stuart	CHTEKK: can you log this plz?
+Jan 07 20:06:49 CHTEKK	Stuart,  btw, cpw just fixed the dep in swig :) now it's virtual/php
+Jan 07 20:06:54 CHTEKK	Stuart,  sure, already logging
+Jan 07 20:06:58 Stuart	ok
+Jan 07 20:07:03 *	Stuart pulls up the agenda
+Jan 07 20:07:08 Stuart	first item on the agenda is elections
+Jan 07 20:07:15 rl03	Stuart: i mailed you some additional stuff btw
+Jan 07 20:07:19 rl03	for the agenda
+Jan 07 20:07:29 Stuart	rl03: ah, sorry, haven't seen
+Jan 07 20:07:32 Stuart	my bad
+Jan 07 20:07:46 Stuart	can I make a suggestion to help the meeting go smoothly?
+Jan 07 20:07:52 rl03	please
+Jan 07 20:07:54 Stuart	ok
+Jan 07 20:08:02 Stuart	one person speaks at a time
+Jan 07 20:08:07 Stuart	to cut down on confusion
+Jan 07 20:08:11 Stuart	if you haven't finished, ...
+Jan 07 20:08:17 Stuart	end each line with ...
+Jan 07 20:08:18 lares	 :done when finished
+Jan 07 20:08:28 Stuart	and :done when finished.  :done
+Jan 07 20:08:34 Stuart	that ok with everyone?
+Jan 07 20:08:36 wrobel	sure
+Jan 07 20:08:38 rl03	aye
+Jan 07 20:08:40 lares	:)
+Jan 07 20:08:43 Stuart	cool :)
+Jan 07 20:08:47 Stuart	ok, positions ...
+Jan 07 20:08:48 lisa	roger, over
+Jan 07 20:09:04 CHTEKK	k
+Jan 07 20:09:04 Stuart	"traditional" positions are strategic lead and operational lead ...
+Jan 07 20:09:21 Stuart	personally, I'm easy on this.  I don't care what the posts are called ...
+Jan 07 20:09:31 Stuart	and would be happy with them called "leads" :done
+Jan 07 20:09:40 rl03	fine with me :done
+Jan 07 20:09:46 wrobel	me too :done
+Jan 07 20:09:49 CHTEKK	I see no problem with that : done
+Jan 07 20:09:52 lares	one or two positions? :done
+Jan 07 20:10:02 Stuart	I suggest two positions at least :done
+Jan 07 20:10:21 CHTEKK	yeah that's what the metastructure requires iirc :done
+Jan 07 20:10:41 lares	one stratigic and one operational,  then have devs and AT/HT's
+Jan 07 20:10:43 lares	:done
+Jan 07 20:11:01 Stuart	wrobel?
+Jan 07 20:11:07 CHTEKK	what's the exact difference/requirements between the two leads anyway? :done
+Jan 07 20:11:23 wrobel	fine with me :done
+Jan 07 20:11:23 Stuart	there are no requirements, except that we elect them :done
+Jan 07 20:12:01 Stuart	ok ... let's elect two leads ...
+Jan 07 20:12:01 CHTEKK	yup, but what are they (in theory) expected to do?:done
+Jan 07 20:12:03 lares	I think we need to define the differences between op & strategic ...
+Jan 07 20:12:10 CHTEKK	exactly:done
+Jan 07 20:12:24 Stuart	personally, I'm happy with there being no difference ...
+Jan 07 20:12:27 lares	where does one position begine and end :done
+Jan 07 20:12:59 Stuart	and that the leads main role is keeping the team going, and being the liasion between us and the council for official business :done
+Jan 07 20:13:13 rl03	i don't think there's going to be much difference. i think we'll continue to work as we're working now with some official titles slapped on :done
+Jan 07 20:13:26 wrobel	it won't change anything at what we avtually do. Or are there any significant outwart requirements? :done
+Jan 07 20:13:36 CHTEKK	yeah, in this case having two is more a question of redundancy than of different roles imo:done
+Jan 07 20:13:37 Stuart	I'm not aware of any requirements :done
+Jan 07 20:13:45 wrobel	so I guess we agree on it :) :done
+Jan 07 20:13:49 Stuart	I agree on the redundancy thing :done
+Jan 07 20:13:50 lares	IMO, Stratgic is about 'where we are going' and operation is more of the devrel, and gentoo-specfic business  :done
+Jan 07 20:14:30 wrobel	yeah, but webapps is not exactly a large body :done
+Jan 07 20:14:35 rl03	redundancy++
+Jan 07 20:14:42 wrobel	so it does not matter too much :) :done
+Jan 07 20:14:52 wrobel	lets vote :done
+Jan 07 20:14:53 Stuart	we all agreed then? :done
+Jan 07 20:14:57 wrobel	yup
+Jan 07 20:15:00 CHTEKK	yup:done
+Jan 07 20:15:04 Stuart	ok, we need candidates :) :done
+Jan 07 20:15:18 wrobel	stu, rl03 :done ;)
+Jan 07 20:15:26 CHTEKK	I propose Stuart, rl03 and wrobel :):done
+Jan 07 20:15:30 lares	just so I'm clear..   Two roles, identical.. :done
+Jan 07 20:15:41 wrobel	for the sake of obeying the ruls, I can't ;) :done
+Jan 07 20:15:54 wrobel	not yet dev for 6 mo :done
+Jan 07 20:15:57 CHTEKK	lares,  yeah basically, if one's not there the other takes over (redundancy), and nothing much changes:done
+Jan 07 20:16:22 CHTEKK	there is such a rule? :| isn't that only for mentoring new devs? :done
+Jan 07 20:16:24 wrobel	yeah, like if stu misses the meeting, rl03 can take over :P :done
+Jan 07 20:16:29 Stuart	:P
+Jan 07 20:16:45 rl03	CHTEKK: not a formal rule, but probably makes sense :done
+Jan 07 20:16:46 lares	lol
+Jan 07 20:16:58 rl03	fine by me :done
+Jan 07 20:17:08 Stuart	any more nominations? :done
+Jan 07 20:17:14 lares	rl03 && Stuart sounds good to me.
+Jan 07 20:17:17 wrobel	:)
+Jan 07 20:17:32 CHTEKK	hmm two candidates, two positions, there's not much to vote then:done
+Jan 07 20:17:37 Stuart	lol
+Jan 07 20:17:43 lares	we can reelect when wrobel is 'available'
+Jan 07 20:17:52 lares	:done
+Jan 07 20:18:04 CHTEKK	yeah, policy says that reelections should anyway happen at least each 12 months:done
+Jan 07 20:18:20 Stuart	ok, does anyone want to oppose rl03 and me as "leads"? :done
+Jan 07 20:18:34 lares	Jan now, I say again in 4months. :done
+Jan 07 20:18:41 wrobel	nope. vote for stu as "strategic" and rl03 as "operational" :done
+Jan 07 20:18:42 CHTEKK	(anyway, the "to be lead you must be dev > 6 monhts" rule does not exist/I can't find it, so it's not policy)
+Jan 07 20:19:00 CHTEKK	agree to what wrobel said:done
+Jan 07 20:19:08 rl03	agreed
+Jan 07 20:19:11 lares	strategic -> Stuart , ops -> rl03  ++
+Jan 07 20:19:27 wrobel	CHTEKK: does not really matter. gives me more time to prepare for the next elections :) :done
+Jan 07 20:19:45 rl03	wrobel: better start working on your acceptance speech now :) :done
+Jan 07 20:19:46 Stuart	ok, last chance - any objections? :done
+Jan 07 20:19:55 wrobel	rl03: right :) :done
+Jan 07 20:19:59 CHTEKK	lol, that means we'll see big ads on planet.g.o with your photo and "VOTE ME!" around in 4 months?:done
+Jan 07 20:20:03 wrobel	Stuart: none :done
+Jan 07 20:20:18 lares	no objections here.
+Jan 07 20:20:20 CHTEKK	Stuart,  none :done
+Jan 07 20:20:22 wrobel	CHTEKK: hey, great idea, let's talk to my campaign people about it :done
+Jan 07 20:20:27 Stuart	lol
+Jan 07 20:20:55 wrobel	ok, funiiest election I ever did. Point one finished :) :done
+Jan 07 20:21:01 lares	Move to next item  :done
+Jan 07 20:21:01 Stuart	ok, I declare the vote closed.  rl03 and myself as leads. :done
+Jan 07 20:21:15 rl03	wrobel: you must not have voted in belarus then :\ :done
+Jan 07 20:21:36 Stuart	point two: update on security policy w/ upstream.  rl03? :done
+Jan 07 20:21:42 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 20:21:44 rl03	...
+Jan 07 20:21:56 wrobel	rl03: that's more serious business and I don't know if I would consider it "funny" in any way :done
+Jan 07 20:22:06 CHTEKK	ok then, through t3h logs shall this vote be known to all mankind and recorded in history :P :done
+Jan 07 20:22:14 wrobel	;)
+Jan 07 20:22:36 rl03	per Stuart's earlier email to -dev, we're starting to contact upstream to get their contact info and establish relationships
+Jan 07 20:22:40 rl03	...
+Jan 07 20:22:57 rl03	i've gone through all ebuilds owned by us and emailed their upstream...
+Jan 07 20:23:14 rl03	to date, 55 emails went out, with 24 replies...
+Jan 07 20:23:30 rl03	that info is being compiled on http://devwiki.gentoo.org/tiki-index.php?page=Upstream+info ...
+Jan 07 20:24:11 rl03	some developers requested that i not disclose their private info. i've made a note of that on the wiki page, contact me if you need it...
+Jan 07 20:24:41 rl03	i'm planning on following up with the rest in a week or so...
+Jan 07 20:25:04 rl03	use this info to ping upstream if there's a security issue etc ...
+Jan 07 20:25:26 rl03	just as a side note, most of the replies have been very positive and appreciative ...
+Jan 07 20:25:37 rl03	so that's going to be good for our relationship with upstream...
+Jan 07 20:25:47 rl03	questions? :done
+Jan 07 20:25:59 wrobel	sounds pretty good :done
+Jan 07 20:26:05 lares	yup...
+Jan 07 20:26:06 CHTEKK	none from me, sounds good, great work!:done
+Jan 07 20:26:06 Stuart	rl03: can we order the info on that page alphabetically? :done
+Jan 07 20:26:14 rl03	Stuart: will do :done
+Jan 07 20:26:32 rl03	oh, if anyone needs a copy of the email I sent out, ping me :done
+Jan 07 20:26:32 Stuart	I think this is great work :done
+Jan 07 20:26:56 wrobel	so we will make it mandatory to aqcuire this info before moving anything into "production-stable" or portage, right? :done
+Jan 07 20:26:57 lares	do we have specified people who willl contact upstream? :done
+Jan 07 20:27:11 rl03	wrobel: yes, we should as a rule :done
+Jan 07 20:27:19 wrobel	lares: depends on the project. most have some sort of contact option. :done
+Jan 07 20:27:31 rl03	lares: anyone who's a member of the herd shuold be able to, i think :done
+Jan 07 20:27:47 wrobel	lares: sorry, misunderstood your question :) :done
+Jan 07 20:27:59 Stuart	wrobel: http://svn.gnqs.org/projects/gentoo-webapps-overlay/wiki/UpstreamRequirements
+Jan 07 20:28:03 Stuart	:done
+Jan 07 20:28:13 wrobel	Stuart: already on my del.icio.us list :) :done
+Jan 07 20:28:19 lares	Okay, if there is a restriction, note it pls. :done
+Jan 07 20:28:29 rl03	lares: will do :done
+Jan 07 20:29:13 Stuart	does anyone thing that there is any extra information we should be asking upstream? :done
+Jan 07 20:29:15 rl03	lares: made a note on the wiki :done
+Jan 07 20:29:20 lares	SOunds all good to me :done
+Jan 07 20:30:05 wrobel	would only like to know if there is really no possibility to store the info somewhere directly in the ebuild. :done
+Jan 07 20:30:14 rl03	wrobel: ah, great point ...
+Jan 07 20:30:30 rl03	there's a GLEP (42 i believe) that has to do wit this ...
+Jan 07 20:30:34 CHTEKK	wrobel,  ebuild not really (comments?), but there is a proposal to store them in metadata.xml (GLEP 4X iirc)
+Jan 07 20:30:37 rl03	i spoke with ciaranm and clarified it ...
+Jan 07 20:30:48 CHTEKK	glep 46
+Jan 07 20:31:00 lares	that is going to council IIRC.
+Jan 07 20:31:06 rl03	it doesn't look like it'll be a great fit for our needs as a lot of our info isn't structured very well ...
+Jan 07 20:31:15 rl03	but there's some overlap :done
+Jan 07 20:31:30 Stuart	do we need to change GLEP 46 then? :done
+Jan 07 20:32:05 rl03	his main objection was that our info is unstructured. if we can come up with a well-defined set of extra tags we want to add, that would be good :done
+Jan 07 20:32:24 wrobel	looks like there is only something missing about security :done
+Jan 07 20:32:55 Stuart	rl03: I think we can do something to make it more structured.  I'll take an action to work on that :done
+Jan 07 20:33:05 lares	until we have a well defined list, could we add a Our_metadata file to our overlay?
+Jan 07 20:33:09 lares	...
+Jan 07 20:33:09 rl03	Stuart: great, thanks. i think that'll be good :done
+Jan 07 20:33:12 lares	:done
+Jan 07 20:33:31 Stuart	lares: good idea.  we could just make it a README.txt for now :done
+Jan 07 20:33:39 rl03	++
+Jan 07 20:33:52 wrobel	ok
+Jan 07 20:34:03 CHTEKK	k
+Jan 07 20:34:10 lares	Stuart: name it whatever..  but have it in the same file format..  www-foo/bar/files/OURfile.txt
+Jan 07 20:34:33 lares	:done
+Jan 07 20:34:38 Stuart	I would suggest putting it in the package dir, not the files dir :done
+Jan 07 20:34:44 rl03	yes
+Jan 07 20:35:16 lares	okay sounds good :done
+Jan 07 20:35:19 Stuart	I think the format rl03 has used on the wiki would be fine as a text document :done
+Jan 07 20:35:34 wrobel	absolutely :done
+Jan 07 20:36:04 *	lares agrees
+Jan 07 20:36:22 Stuart	ok, next item? :done
+Jan 07 20:36:28 wrobel	sure :done
+Jan 07 20:36:35 lares	next++
+Jan 07 20:36:38 rl03	Stuart: can you merge my suggested agenda items real quick?
+Jan 07 20:36:56 rl03	just so it's all in one place :done
+Jan 07 20:37:09 Stuart	rl03: I don't have access to my email. wireless point died :done
+Jan 07 20:37:17 Stuart	rl03: can you add them to the wiki page? :done
+Jan 07 20:37:29 rl03	i'll add a comment, ok
+Jan 07 20:37:32 Stuart	ta
+Jan 07 20:38:06 Stuart	sorry, I have to set openvpn up in bridging mode before I can access my email again.  this should be easy, but the baselayout changes appear to make this a chore :( :done
+Jan 07 20:38:10 rl03	bah, i can't. don't have my password here :done
+Jan 07 20:38:23 Stuart	ok, post items here, and I will update :done
+Jan 07 20:38:37 rl03	- Status of virtual/httpd
+Jan 07 20:38:42 rl03	- Status of project page
+Jan 07 20:38:46 rl03	- Update on properly specifying mysql/postgres dependencies in ebuilds
+Jan 07 20:38:52 rl03	- Vision & role for w-c
+Jan 07 20:38:56 rl03	- Discuss whether we want to put out regular project status updates
+Jan 07 20:39:00 rl03	- Figure out if we want to continue with trac vs. bugzie for overlay maintenance
+Jan 07 20:39:04 rl03	done
+Jan 07 20:39:32 lares	can we append Status stuff to the end. pls.  I am puhed for time :done
+Jan 07 20:39:44 rl03	it should all go to the end, yes
+Jan 07 20:40:39 Stuart	page updated. please look, and suggest any changes to the order :done
+Jan 07 20:40:42 lares	stuff that needs voting and disscussion first :done
+Jan 07 20:41:19 rl03	well , all of it is discussion stuff. i think it's fine in that order, let's just gor through :done
+Jan 07 20:41:39 Stuart	ok, next item: update on webapps overlay work. rl03 again, plz :) :done
+Jan 07 20:41:40 wrobel	ok :done
+Jan 07 20:41:47 lares	item3+
+Jan 07 20:41:58 rl03	ok ...
+Jan 07 20:42:15 rl03	you've all seen the new overlay ...
+Jan 07 20:42:28 rl03	http://svn.gnqs.org/projects/gentoo-webapps-overlay/wiki/OverlayContents is fully up to date ...
+Jan 07 20:42:53 rl03	pretty much all of the ebuilds in bugzie that's been sitting there for a while are in at this point ...
+Jan 07 20:43:34 rl03	the next step is to nail down our policy wrt to moving from experimental to production-ready and then to the main tree ...
+Jan 07 20:44:01 rl03	and continue efforts to recruit maintainers ...
+Jan 07 20:44:22 rl03	at this point, stuart, wrobel, lares, CHTEKK and myself have write access
+Jan 07 20:44:31 rl03	...
+Jan 07 20:44:35 *	CHTEKK had not, the last time I checked:done
+Jan 07 20:44:56 rl03	:done
+Jan 07 20:45:45 Stuart	thanks for the update. I suggest this is the wrong forum to work on the policies; how about we do that as we go along day to day? :done
+Jan 07 20:46:07 rl03	i agree ...
+Jan 07 20:46:10 CHTEKK	agreed:done
+Jan 07 20:46:25 lares	policies_work wiki might be in order. :done
+Jan 07 20:46:26 rl03	we should do it soon though, so we can officially launch the thing and start promoting it :done
+Jan 07 20:46:38 Stuart	rl03: agreed. :done
+Jan 07 20:46:40 wrobel	fine by me.  :done
+Jan 07 20:47:03 rl03	Stuart: i'll give it a shot and run by you :done
+Jan 07 20:47:12 Stuart	rl03: ok, thanks. next item? :done
+Jan 07 20:47:19 lares	next++
+Jan 07 20:47:43 wrobel	is the overlay going to be open to outside devs? and if so what are the requirements? :done
+Jan 07 20:48:06 Stuart	wrobel: good question. answer is that I want the overlay open to outside devs, like lares here :done
+Jan 07 20:48:12 lares	wrobel: what do yo mean by 'open' :done
+Jan 07 20:48:14 rl03	wrobel: i think it should. requirements should be having contributed a few good ebuilds :done
+Jan 07 20:48:32 wrobel	sounds good :done
+Jan 07 20:48:34 Stuart	rl03: how about requirements is approval by a lead? :done
+Jan 07 20:48:39 rl03	wrobel: as well as being willing to hang out here at least somewhat regularly
+Jan 07 20:48:43 rl03	Stuart: good point
+Jan 07 20:48:57 rl03	Stuart: btw, see my email to that Japanese guy?
+Jan 07 20:48:58 *	lares is a gentoo AT for x86 / hardened :)
+Jan 07 20:49:11 wrobel	think it also depends a little bit on the workload for adding new devs ...
+Jan 07 20:49:14 Stuart	rl03: no. see earlier comments about can't get to email yet :) :done
+Jan 07 20:49:19 rl03	heh
+Jan 07 20:49:27 wrobel	how much of an effort is it to add new people to trac and svn :done
+Jan 07 20:49:58 Stuart	wrobel: takes 5 mins tops. :done
+Jan 07 20:50:01 CHTEKK	little effort, an htpasswd command and that's it
+Jan 07 20:50:11 Stuart	wrobel: I'll write a web-based app so that others can do it if I'm not around. :done
+Jan 07 20:50:32 wrobel	Stuart: :)
+Jan 07 20:50:59 wrobel	so then I think the policy that the webapp people can add devs is pretty good :done
+Jan 07 20:51:43 Stuart	ok, do we agree that an "outside" dev needs to be approved by one of the leads? :vote
+Jan 07 20:51:51 rl03	agreed
+Jan 07 20:51:52 wrobel	agreed :done
+Jan 07 20:51:58 CHTEKK	agreed:done
+Jan 07 20:52:00 lares	wrobel: ... with the condition that they only work in experimental till approved by leads. :done
+Jan 07 20:52:22 Stuart	I don't think we need that restriction. :done
+Jan 07 20:52:28 lares	agreed...
+Jan 07 20:52:44 Stuart	ok, next item? :done
+Jan 07 20:52:45 wrobel	no, it's svn, so we could revert and it's no high security prison :) :done
+Jan 07 20:53:10 lares	next ++
+Jan 07 20:53:49 wrobel	wordpress? :done
+Jan 07 20:53:49 Stuart	ok, wordpress maintenance
+Jan 07 20:54:01 Stuart	anyone know what state wordpress ebuild is in? :done
+Jan 07 20:54:10 rl03	nfc
+Jan 07 20:54:13 lares	nfc
+Jan 07 20:54:16 wrobel	nope :done
+Jan 07 20:54:21 *	rl03 checks
+Jan 07 20:54:36 CHTEKK	iirc wordpress 2.0 is out, the ebuild is still at 1.5.2, furthermore it doesn't work correctly with dev-lang/php new style PHP
+Jan 07 20:54:41 rl03	ouch
+Jan 07 20:54:46 rl03	it's a bit ugly atm :done
+Jan 07 20:54:59 Stuart	anyone heard from superlag? :done
+Jan 07 20:55:13 rl03	no
+Jan 07 20:55:53 Stuart	ok, I think we need a new maintainer for wordpress
+Jan 07 20:56:16 Stuart	anyone want to take it? :done
+Jan 07 20:56:28 wrobel	anyone of us that uses it? :done
+Jan 07 20:56:31 *	rl03 has a funny feeling
+Jan 07 20:56:42 *	lares looks around
+Jan 07 20:56:51 CHTEKK	I use it atm, but I installed it by myself and anyway am waiting for Stu's patches to migrate to b2evo :)
+Jan 07 20:56:59 Stuart	I'll take it
+Jan 07 20:57:02 rl03	i'll do it
+Jan 07 20:57:05 Stuart	lol
+Jan 07 20:57:08 wrobel	heh
+Jan 07 20:57:10 CHTEKK	I could do it :)
+Jan 07 20:57:25 Stuart	ok, chtekk can have it :P
+Jan 07 20:57:25 rl03	Stuart:  go for it
+Jan 07 20:57:36 rl03	CHTEKK: go for it
+Jan 07 20:57:42 CHTEKK	k
+Jan 07 20:57:42 lares	CHTEKK: IT yours...
+Jan 07 20:57:47 Stuart	:)
+Jan 07 20:57:51 rl03	CHTEKK: please contact upstream though
+Jan 07 20:57:56 rl03	and add to the wiki
+Jan 07 20:58:08 CHTEKK	security info et all that? k
+Jan 07 20:58:22 Stuart	if wordpress can't meet our upstream requirements, I'd like it punted plz :done
+Jan 07 20:58:37 CHTEKK	need to speak with cshields then to get access to the devwiki
+Jan 07 20:58:40 CHTEKK	ok
+Jan 07 20:58:41 DerCorny	wordpress is t3h ev1l
+Jan 07 20:58:46 rl03	don't care one way or another :done
+Jan 07 20:58:54 CHTEKK	yeah the security history is pretty bad :done
+Jan 07 20:59:05 CHTEKK	and 2.0 is atm practically unusable it seems with bugs :)
+Jan 07 20:59:13 Stuart	yuck
+Jan 07 20:59:40 lares	Details...  next item ? :done
+Jan 07 21:00:14 Stuart	next item is drupal maintenance (just added to agenda)
+Jan 07 21:00:28 rl03	is st_lim around _at all_?
+Jan 07 21:00:44 Stuart	tbh, I don't care. his ebuilds are terrible :done
+Jan 07 21:01:04 Stuart	I will sort out drupal, as I added it to the tree. that ok? :done
+Jan 07 21:01:13 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:01:21 rl03	Stuart: please contact upstream and add to the wiki
+Jan 07 21:01:29 Stuart	rl03: ok, will do
+Jan 07 21:01:34 Stuart	next item?
+Jan 07 21:01:56 wrobel	ok
+Jan 07 21:02:15 Stuart	next item is webalizer maintenance (also just added to agenda)
+Jan 07 21:02:26 Stuart	rl03?
+Jan 07 21:02:26 rl03	smithj helped a bit with that, ...
+Jan 07 21:02:40 rl03	but there a quite a few open bugs about it, and i'd like help :done
+Jan 07 21:03:00 CHTEKK	I'll see what I can do, as I use it and need it for SysCP:done
+Jan 07 21:03:08 lares	Sorry Ppl.  I must step out..   Only thing I have to say is  First Sat of every month  @ 1700 UTC
+Jan 07 21:03:11 rl03	CHTEKK: thanks much. no need to ping upstream
+Jan 07 21:03:21 Stuart	lares: ok, thanks for joining us
+Jan 07 21:03:25 rl03	lares: thanks
+Jan 07 21:03:30 wrobel	lares: cu. thanks
+Jan 07 21:03:34 lares	I'll read full transcript later.
+Jan 07 21:03:35 CHTEKK	cu lares
+Jan 07 21:03:52 *	lares has quit (" Later all.")
+Jan 07 21:04:13 Stuart	next item is mysql/postgres deps in ebuilds. rl03?
+Jan 07 21:04:23 rl03	ok ...
+Jan 07 21:04:45 rl03	most of the ebuilds in the tree currently depend on mysql/postgres unconditionally. this is wrong in most cases ...
+Jan 07 21:04:58 rl03	most web-apps can conncet to a remote db server ...
+Jan 07 21:05:12 rl03	i've started adding a use flag and doing a conditional dep...
+Jan 07 21:05:15 rl03	thoughts on that? :done
+Jan 07 21:05:37 Stuart	do we yet have ebuilds w/ just mysql libraries in? :done
+Jan 07 21:05:44 CHTEKK	good idea for those webapps that support it:done
+Jan 07 21:05:54 Stuart	ignore my last comment :P
+Jan 07 21:05:56 wrobel	use flags sound like a good solution :done
+Jan 07 21:06:03 CHTEKK	Stuart,  no, read mails to php-bugs:done
+Jan 07 21:06:11 rl03	ok, then please use that syntax for new ebuilds. check joomla for example :done
+Jan 07 21:06:35 Stuart	ok, anyone mind if I move w-c to last on agenda?
+Jan 07 21:06:41 rl03	sure
+Jan 07 21:06:43 wrobel	ok with me
+Jan 07 21:06:56 Stuart	done
+Jan 07 21:07:04 Stuart	next is regular project status updates
+Jan 07 21:07:23 Stuart	I would like to publish these at least once a quarter
+Jan 07 21:07:30 rl03	yes
+Jan 07 21:07:37 wrobel	I think that would be really useful. :done
+Jan 07 21:07:41 Stuart	what frequency do we prefer? :done
+Jan 07 21:07:50 rl03	quarterly makes sense to me :done
+Jan 07 21:07:59 wrobel	three or four months sounds good :don
+Jan 07 21:08:33 wrobel	should we have a page where we collect important changes/updates? :done
+Jan 07 21:08:41 Stuart	I will take responsibiliy for writing them and getting them publicised
+Jan 07 21:08:47 rl03	Stuart: ++
+Jan 07 21:08:50 Stuart	wrobel: absolutely
+Jan 07 21:08:58 wrobel	overlay wiki? :done
+Jan 07 21:09:08 Stuart	overlay wiki++
+Jan 07 21:09:08 rl03	wrobel: no, should be our project page (agenda item 11)
+Jan 07 21:09:22 rl03	or is that our project page?
+Jan 07 21:09:23 Stuart	rl03: I will put the quarterly ones on the project page.
+Jan 07 21:09:26 wrobel	rl03: is it as easily accesible as the overlay? :done
+Jan 07 21:09:33 CHTEKK	we can put them on both once we have the text:done
+Jan 07 21:09:37 rl03	agreed
+Jan 07 21:09:43 Stuart	rl03: how about stuff accumulates on the wiki, and I'll move them across once a quarter? :done
+Jan 07 21:09:48 rl03	Stuart: good
+Jan 07 21:09:58 wrobel	Stuart: yeah, that's what I meant too :done
+Jan 07 21:10:02 CHTEKK	k :done
+Jan 07 21:10:14 Stuart	ok, next is trac vs bugzie
+Jan 07 21:10:34 Stuart	rl03?
+Jan 07 21:10:51 rl03	in light of recent issues with trac notifications, ...
+Jan 07 21:10:57 *	Stuart hides
+Jan 07 21:10:59 wrobel	:)
+Jan 07 21:11:01 rl03	which seem to be fixed now ..
+Jan 07 21:11:06 *	Stuart beams
+Jan 07 21:11:13 rl03	perhaps it makes sense to keep using bugzie? ...
+Jan 07 21:11:29 Stuart	I have no opinion
+Jan 07 21:11:29 rl03	wrobel also brought up a point that someone asked how to follow a particular ebuild? :done
+Jan 07 21:11:47 wrobel	I think it is great to have the ebuilds in svn ...
+Jan 07 21:11:47 CHTEKK	depends... for stuff that's overlay-only, I'm not sure gentoo-infra will love the fact we use th gentoo bugzie for thoes bugs...
+Jan 07 21:11:55 rl03	CHTEKK: agree
+Jan 07 21:12:15 Stuart	I don't think infra would mind
+Jan 07 21:12:15 wrobel	but people are used to bugzilla and subscribing to specific ebuilds on bugzilla :done
+Jan 07 21:12:17 CHTEKK	... a lot of people already don't love the concept of our overlays, especially since we don't use gentoo-infra:done
+Jan 07 21:12:40 wrobel	CHTEKK: an ebuild should always be added to bugzilla....
+Jan 07 21:12:52 CHTEKK	and imo it doesn't seem correct to use gentoo-infra for stuff that's not in the Portage tree...
+Jan 07 21:13:04 wrobel	an outside user will first look there if there is an ebuild for the app that he wants to use ...
+Jan 07 21:13:24 wrobel	so it should be mentioned there :done
+Jan 07 21:13:45 CHTEKK	wrobel,  yeah ok, but once the ebuild is in the overlay, only there, and all bugs "please make ebuild for XXX!" are closed in bugs.g.o, imo we shouldn't open new ones or new requests concerning that ebuild again in bugs.g.o
+Jan 07 21:13:50 CHTEKK	at least not until it's officially in the tree
+Jan 07 21:14:13 rl03	CHTEKK: yes
+Jan 07 21:14:15 CHTEKK	bugs of the type "please do ebuild for app X!" will anyway still end up in bugs.g.o
+Jan 07 21:14:20 wrobel	CHTEKK: no, but as long as there is only one bug for each ebuild I think it is fine :done
+Jan 07 21:14:43 CHTEKK	so if a user searches, he will find it and see "the ebuild is availabe in the overlay at http://blabla, cu!"
+Jan 07 21:14:46 CHTEKK	and will go there
+Jan 07 21:15:01 CHTEKK	wrobel,  yeah sure, that ok
+Jan 07 21:15:26 CHTEKK	my whole discussion was concering bugs that come _later_, once an ebuild is in the overlay
+Jan 07 21:15:39 CHTEKK	those imo should be handled only in the overlay, if the package in question exists only there
+Jan 07 21:15:53 wrobel	right. the problem with trac is that you cannot easily subscribe to single ebuilds :done
+Jan 07 21:16:13 Stuart	would a trac upgrade help? :done
+Jan 07 21:16:21 Stuart	or can we extend trac to add that feature? :done
+Jan 07 21:16:22 wrobel	I dont know :) :done
+Jan 07 21:16:36 rl03	we should investigate
+Jan 07 21:17:05 Stuart	wrobel is our python expert :)
+Jan 07 21:17:35 wrobel	I just had the problem that one user asked how he could follow changes on the ebuild now (ok still simple, he could read the RSS fead or the timeline) but I also did not know how to best contact the original author of an ebuild and notify him of changes I made to his ebuild.
+Jan 07 21:17:37 CHTEKK	what do you mean by "subscribe to single ebuilds" ?
+Jan 07 21:17:40 wrobel	:)
+Jan 07 21:17:57 CHTEKK	well bugzilla also does not track changes you do to an ebuild
+Jan 07 21:18:10 CHTEKK	you need to open a bug and update it each time there too
+Jan 07 21:18:28 wrobel	well you upload a modified ebuild there, so that's similar to tracking "changes" :done
+Jan 07 21:19:38 Stuart	I think we're off point now
+Jan 07 21:19:55 Stuart	back to trac vs bugzilla :)
+Jan 07 21:20:28 CHTEKK	k
+Jan 07 21:20:30 wrobel	ok, I'll look more in detail at trac and see if there will be an option to create tracker bugs for the single ebuilds, so that people can add there mailing address to them :done
+Jan 07 21:20:48 CHTEKK	k good for me
+Jan 07 21:21:00 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:21:03 Stuart	I think we need more discussion before we can make any decisions. let's take this to email, and if necessary we'll look at it again next meeting, ok?
+Jan 07 21:21:15 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:21:18 wrobel	ok, fine with me :done
+Jan 07 21:21:28 wrobel	Is there a webapps-overlay mailing list? :) :done
+Jan 07 21:21:39 CHTEKK	web-apps@g.o
+Jan 07 21:21:58 Stuart	wrobel: want me to setup a -discuss mailing list? :)
+Jan 07 21:22:04 CHTEKK	only the members of the alias see the mails to it, meaning the herd-members, so it's like a restricted discussion ml
+Jan 07 21:22:21 rl03	wrobel: which you shuold add yourself to btw
+Jan 07 21:22:27 Stuart	we could start using gentoo-web-user@g.o :done
+Jan 07 21:22:30 wrobel	rl03: right :)
+Jan 07 21:22:43 CHTEKK	edit /var/spool/alias/misc/web-apps iirc
+Jan 07 21:22:52 rl03	on toucan
+Jan 07 21:22:52 CHTEKK	Stuart,  that's also a good idea :done
+Jan 07 21:23:23 Stuart	we agreed? we'll start using gentoo-web-user@g.o as our discussion list? :done
+Jan 07 21:23:39 CHTEKK	gentoo-web-users is indeed practically not used, reviving it would be good, so I agree : done
+Jan 07 21:23:48 Stuart	web-apps.g.o gets so much spam & bugspam that I fear I'll miss discussions on there :done
+Jan 07 21:24:01 rl03	Stuart:  i can stop fixing bugs if you want :)
+Jan 07 21:24:12 Stuart	rl03: that's not funny :P
+Jan 07 21:24:20 CHTEKK	ok that means my spamassassin rulez, since I get max 2 spam mails / day on web-apps@g.o :)
+Jan 07 21:24:33 rl03	let's use -web-users
+Jan 07 21:24:41 wrobel	CHTEKK, rl03: thanks, added myself
+Jan 07 21:24:50 Stuart	ok. agreed.  next item is status of virtual/httpd
+Jan 07 21:25:12 rl03	ok ...
+Jan 07 21:25:28 rl03	please all check out http://devwiki.gentoo.org/tiki-index.php?page=virtual%2Fhttpd :)
+Jan 07 21:25:42 rl03	we _need_ virtual/httpd ...
+Jan 07 21:25:58 rl03	there are tons of bugs about "hey, this works with lighttpd and you depend on apache" ...
+Jan 07 21:26:10 rl03	so i propose creating those 3 ...
+Jan 07 21:26:30 rl03	i've gone through all our httpds and created that matrix, whcih could be a little off, but at least a start ...
+Jan 07 21:26:50 CHTEKK	agreed, those three seem good and should satisfy the needs of those ebuilds that can work with more than one webserver
+Jan 07 21:26:57 Stuart	looks good to me
+Jan 07 21:27:00 rl03	then if a web-app is a simple php thing, you can depend on cgi or fcgi
+Jan 07 21:27:16 rl03	so we need to coordinate with the apache and www-servers herds
+Jan 07 21:27:31 Stuart	I will take this one
+Jan 07 21:27:42 rl03	Stuart: you're in www-servers, right?
+Jan 07 21:27:49 Stuart	rl03: yes, although I never do anything
+Jan 07 21:27:57 rl03	that's about to change
+Jan 07 21:28:00 Stuart	lol
+Jan 07 21:28:03 wrobel	heh
+Jan 07 21:28:05 Stuart	fair enough :)
+Jan 07 21:28:07 CHTEKK	:)
+Jan 07 21:28:10 rl03	step 2 is...
+Jan 07 21:28:26 rl03	fix w-c to recognize ALL those webservers :|
+Jan 07 21:28:38 rl03	not sure what that'll involve, but it needs to happen
+Jan 07 21:28:43 rl03	and step 3 is to fix all ebuilds
+Jan 07 21:28:55 rl03	we have our work cut out for us, but that's going to be HUGE
+Jan 07 21:29:06 rl03	talk about something no other distro does
+Jan 07 21:29:34 Stuart	it might be that some of those servers need to change to fit our approach
+Jan 07 21:29:39 rl03	yes
+Jan 07 21:29:39 CHTEKK	all of those? hmmm
+Jan 07 21:29:41 wrobel	w-c should not be too much of a problem there. It's basically only the users/groups that need to be added
+Jan 07 21:29:49 rl03	CHTEKK: not all, but most
+Jan 07 21:30:01 rl03	Stuart: perhaps for a lot of them we can add a generic www-server user
+Jan 07 21:30:02 Stuart	wrobel: some of these servers may not support our standard /var/www/localhost layout yet
+Jan 07 21:30:03 CHTEKK	I'm pretty sure some of those only support HTML or some CGI script, so for those w-c is pretty useless
+Jan 07 21:30:31 Stuart	rl03: there's a lot of resistance to that, although personally I think they should all be installed as a common 'www' user
+Jan 07 21:30:34 rl03	CHTEKK: a lot of them can do vhost support on the cheap
+Jan 07 21:30:42 CHTEKK	hmmm I'm specifically thinking of PHP here ...
+Jan 07 21:30:52 rl03	Stuart: noted. not sure what we'll do, but we should revive that discussion
+Jan 07 21:30:55 Stuart	I will take ownership of this whole problem
+Jan 07 21:31:03 rl03	CHTEKK: they can run PHP, very slowly :)
+Jan 07 21:31:07 CHTEKK	the ones that support passing stuff to cgi/fcgi can support PHP; and apache can (mod_php)
+Jan 07 21:31:28 rl03	CHTEKK: yes, which means for a lot of the web-apps you don't need apache
+Jan 07 21:31:34 rl03	Stuart: great
+Jan 07 21:32:04 CHTEKK	yeah, but also only a minimal subset of that page works correctly with PHP, apache, lighttpd, thttpd iirc
+Jan 07 21:32:15 Stuart	next item?
+Jan 07 21:32:26 rl03	CHTEKK: sure
+Jan 07 21:32:28 CHTEKK	for others it's mostly a PITA to setup, but that's not our problem, more the server owners, so ok, agreed :)
+Jan 07 21:32:48 rl03	CHTEKK: noone sane will run php on an httpd that is a kernel module :)
+Jan 07 21:32:50 rl03	but you could
+Jan 07 21:33:12 rl03	Stuart: sure
+Jan 07 21:33:26 wrobel	project page?
+Jan 07 21:33:30 Stuart	project page.
+Jan 07 21:33:36 Stuart	anyone want to chip in here?
+Jan 07 21:34:07 rl03	i could, if you outline what needs to be done
+Jan 07 21:34:08 wrobel	what do we need on it? can do it
+Jan 07 21:34:17 wrobel	heh
+Jan 07 21:34:24 Stuart	let's find an existing page to model it on
+Jan 07 21:34:34 Stuart	iirc, project pages use different guidexml to normal docs
+Jan 07 21:35:02 Stuart	http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gdp/
+Jan 07 21:35:09 Stuart	how about we steal that one? :)
+Jan 07 21:35:36 rl03	Stuart: sure :)
+Jan 07 21:35:39 CHTEKK	they all look the same anyway thanks to XSL magic :)
+Jan 07 21:35:49 wrobel	looks good
+Jan 07 21:35:55 Stuart	CHTEKK: that isn't a good thing :)
+Jan 07 21:36:03 wrobel	rl03: let me take it. ;)
+Jan 07 21:36:11 Stuart	wrobel: make a draft, post it in your dev space, and we'll provide feedback from there?
+Jan 07 21:36:20 CHTEKK	well since it's "official" gentoo project page, it has a unified design
+Jan 07 21:36:21 wrobel	ok
+Jan 07 21:36:24 rl03	wrobel: go for it :)
+Jan 07 21:36:31 rl03	i'm not done with bugzilla yet :)
+Jan 07 21:36:37 Stuart	CHTEKK: unified limitations you mean :)
+Jan 07 21:36:48 wrobel	rl03: will you ever be ? ;)
+Jan 07 21:36:54 rl03	wrobel: making progress
+Jan 07 21:36:54 CHTEKK	Stuart,  possibily, I've never worked with guideXML and the xml behind the gentoo sites
+Jan 07 21:37:05 rl03	wrobel: but that's the point. i'm freeing up you guys :)
+Jan 07 21:37:13 Stuart	hehe
+Jan 07 21:37:15 Stuart	next item?
+Jan 07 21:37:18 wrobel	absolutely
+Jan 07 21:37:31 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:37:40 Stuart	next item is vision and role of w-c
+Jan 07 21:37:59 rl03	so i'm not sure if this is the best time/place to discuss this
+Jan 07 21:38:11 wrobel	maybe the ml is better
+Jan 07 21:38:17 Stuart	can we take this one to the m/l?
+Jan 07 21:38:21 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:38:27 Stuart	vhost-tools-dev@lists.vhost-tools.org?
+Jan 07 21:38:37 rl03	aye
+Jan 07 21:38:46 Stuart	ok
+Jan 07 21:38:59 rl03	got one more for AOB
+Jan 07 21:39:02 Stuart	any other business? say yes if you have anything
+Jan 07 21:39:05 Stuart	yes
+Jan 07 21:39:21 CHTEKK	yes
+Jan 07 21:39:29 rl03	yes
+Jan 07 21:40:05 Stuart	CHTEKK first plz
+Jan 07 21:40:20 *	Deedubb (n=Deedubb@S010600055d22c57f.vf.shawcable.net) has joined #gentoo-web
+Jan 07 21:40:54 CHTEKK	ok: bot in this channel, atm we lack any jeeves or genbot, I propose to contact karpaski or whoever owns jeeves and get him added here, with that great feature that notifies the channel of bugs assigned to web-apps@g.o
+Jan 07 21:41:01 rl03	++
+Jan 07 21:41:06 rl03	++++ even
+Jan 07 21:41:32 Stuart	++
+Jan 07 21:41:35 wrobel	++
+Jan 07 21:41:41 rl03	i'll do it
+Jan 07 21:42:04 CHTEKK	ok
+Jan 07 21:42:06 Stuart	ok
+Jan 07 21:42:16 CHTEKK	next then :)
+Jan 07 21:43:01 Stuart	rl03?
+Jan 07 21:43:08 rl03	we should reach out to all herds we routinely work with, much like we did with upstream
+Jan 07 21:43:23 rl03	off the top of my head, apache, perl, python, php :)
+Jan 07 21:43:48 CHTEKK	well PHP is no problem
+Jan 07 21:43:51 Stuart	good idea
+Jan 07 21:43:57 CHTEKK	it pretty much is the same as web-apps :)
+Jan 07 21:44:05 rl03	i've got a bit of bad blood with mcummings :|
+Jan 07 21:44:08 Deedubb	wow, a meeting eh
+Jan 07 21:44:09 rl03	i should mend that
+Jan 07 21:44:19 rl03	Deedubb: see /topic
+Jan 07 21:44:26 Stuart	java is our big blindspot I believe
+Jan 07 21:44:30 rl03	Stuart: yes
+Jan 07 21:44:31 Deedubb	indeed, I thought it would be a 5 minute long job
+Jan 07 21:44:34 rl03	very true
+Jan 07 21:45:10 rl03	so i'll do that then? or stu?
+Jan 07 21:45:16 Stuart	rl03: can you start it?
+Jan 07 21:45:18 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:45:20 Stuart	I will help
+Jan 07 21:45:34 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:45:57 Stuart	my item?
+Jan 07 21:46:00 rl03	yes
+Jan 07 21:46:08 Stuart	agenda items is my item
+Jan 07 21:46:30 Stuart	can I suggest some rules for evaluating whether someting should be on the agenda or not?
+Jan 07 21:46:43 rl03	sure
+Jan 07 21:46:52 Stuart	ta
+Jan 07 21:47:11 rl03	(i know i threw out a bunch of stuff, but wanted to run through everything at the first meeting :) )
+Jan 07 21:47:19 Stuart	that's not a problem
+Jan 07 21:47:23 Stuart	...
+Jan 07 21:47:39 Stuart	I suggest that agenda items have to satisfy one or more of these tests
+Jan 07 21:47:47 Stuart	a) it's something that needs a formal vote
+Jan 07 21:48:15 Stuart	b) it's a serious problem where we need extraordinary effort to tackle it
+Jan 07 21:48:44 Stuart	c) it's a dispute that needs some air
+Jan 07 21:49:05 Stuart	d) it's something that we want to formally congratulate someone on what they've done
+Jan 07 21:49:48 Stuart	I suggest that status reports belong in emails / wiki, and only points about them belong in this meeting if they meet one or more of the above tests
+Jan 07 21:50:00 Stuart	:done
+Jan 07 21:50:20 rl03	how about things that should be brought to everoyne's attention? ML?
+Jan 07 21:50:31 Stuart	good point
+Jan 07 21:50:39 Stuart	that could be e)
+Jan 07 21:50:52 rl03	fine with me
+Jan 07 21:50:59 wrobel	ok for me too
+Jan 07 21:51:03 rl03	that way we won't have 2-hr meetings :)
+Jan 07 21:51:08 Stuart	exactly :)
+Jan 07 21:51:12 wrobel	;)
+Jan 07 21:51:33 Stuart	I suggest they are guidelines, not hard and fast rules
+Jan 07 21:51:49 Stuart	my motivation is to avoid 2 hr meetings, but sometimes a 2 hr meeting is the right thing to do
+Jan 07 21:52:22 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:52:53 Stuart	ok, next item is time of next meeting
+Jan 07 21:53:11 Stuart	first monday of every month, 19:00 UTC ok?
+Jan 07 21:53:19 rl03	no
+Jan 07 21:53:22 rl03	i'm at work
+Jan 07 21:53:24 rl03	oh wait :\
+Jan 07 21:53:26 Stuart	sorry, saturday
+Jan 07 21:53:45 rl03	yeah
+Jan 07 21:53:52 wrobel	hm, saturday at 8 is in general not a really good time. :(
+Jan 07 21:54:05 wrobel	depends on the length :)
+Jan 07 21:54:20 wrobel	rather somewhat earlier
+Jan 07 21:55:07 Stuart	how about sundays?
+Jan 07 21:55:16 rl03	should work for me
+Jan 07 21:55:19 wrobel	sunday is good
+Jan 07 21:55:28 Stuart	what time on a sunday?
+Jan 07 21:55:41 wrobel	18:00 UTC?
+Jan 07 21:55:58 Stuart	that works for me
+Jan 07 21:56:02 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:56:31 rl03	we're getting jeeves here
+Jan 07 21:56:38 wrobel	great
+Jan 07 21:56:40 Stuart	ok
+Jan 07 21:56:43 Stuart	n1
+Jan 07 21:56:48 *	jeeves (n=jeeves@gentoo/developer/jeeves) has joined #gentoo-web
+Jan 07 21:57:00 rl03	jeeves: welcome
+Jan 07 21:57:19 Stuart	next meeting: sunday 5th feb, 18:00 UTC, in here
+Jan 07 21:57:24 rl03	ok
+Jan 07 21:57:25 Stuart	I'll try to remember next time :)
+Jan 07 21:57:28 wrobel	fine
+Jan 07 21:57:28 CHTEKK	ok, sunday good for me too
+Jan 07 21:57:40 CHTEKK	lo jeeves :)
+Jan 07 21:57:52 CHTEKK	bug 12345
+Jan 07 21:57:52 jeeves	CHTEKK: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12345 min, P4, x86, elessar@nmt.edu->lostlogic@gentoo.org, RESOLVED, FIXED, Unmerging kernel sources
+Jan 07 21:57:57 CHTEKK	yay! :)
+Jan 07 21:57:59 Stuart	lol
+Jan 07 21:58:02 rl03	FATAL1TY!
+Jan 07 21:58:27 Stuart	I declare our first meeting over.  thanks everyone for making this very easy
+Jan 07 21:58:30 rl03	thanks
+Jan 07 21:58:33 Stuart	CHTEKK: mail me the IRC log plz?
+Jan 07 21:58:36 CHTEKK	thanks :)
+Jan 07 21:58:36 wrobel	thanks
+Jan 07 21:58:44 CHTEKK	Stuart,  sure, just a moment
+Jan 07 21:58:50 Stuart	I will write up minutes, and organise agenda for next meeting.  page is already on the wiki :)