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[2022-06-12T20:00:06+0100] <@sam_> hello
[2022-06-12T20:00:28+0100] <@sam_> !proj council 
[2022-06-12T20:00:33+0100] <willikins> sam_: (council@gentoo.org) dilfridge, gyakovlev, marecki, mattst88, mgorny, sam, ulm
[2022-06-12T20:00:30+0100] <@sam_> ding ding, it's meeting time!
[2022-06-12T20:00:35+0100] <@sam_> agenda: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/53643278744d66cba503c5f0397b08c3
[2022-06-12T20:00:49+0100] <@dionysos> yippi-ka-yay-yay
[2022-06-12T20:00:49+0100] <@sam_> 1. Roll call
[2022-06-12T20:00:50+0100] • sam_: here
[2022-06-12T20:00:57+0100] • ulm: here
[2022-06-12T20:00:57+0100] • dionysos: here
[2022-06-12T20:00:58+0100] • Marecki: here
[2022-06-12T20:01:01+0100] • gyakovlev: here
[2022-06-12T20:01:21+0100] • mattst88: here
[2022-06-12T20:01:23+0100] <+antarus> brb
[2022-06-12T20:01:22+0100] <@sam_> mgorny: ^
[2022-06-12T20:01:32+0100] <@gyakovlev> dionysos: you omitted the second part of that saying ;-)
[2022-06-12T20:01:31+0100] <@sam_> dionysos: maybe /nick dilfridge for log
[2022-06-12T20:02:06+0100] dionysos is now known as dilfridge
[2022-06-12T20:02:06+0100] <@sam_> <3
[2022-06-12T20:02:10+0100] • dilfridge: here
[2022-06-12T20:02:41+0100] <@sam_> we'll give mgorny until 5 past then crack on, he said he's had a few issues with pain today 
[2022-06-12T20:02:54+0100] <@sam_> can wait longer if that's appropriate though. Only second time chairing :)
[2022-06-12T20:03:05+0100] <+sultan> maybe one of his cats joins shortly :p
[2022-06-12T20:03:23+0100] <@dilfridge> cat > /dev/council
[2022-06-12T20:03:39+0100] <@gyakovlev> I'd totally vote for cats in council though
[2022-06-12T20:03:50+0100] <@dilfridge> you need to nominate one then!
[2022-06-12T20:04:08+0100] <@gyakovlev> I can even nominate 3
[2022-06-12T20:04:14+0100] <@dilfridge> meow
[2022-06-12T20:04:39+0100] <@gyakovlev> but it'd be unfair to nominate only mgorny's 3 cats. will nominate mattst88's cat as well.
[2022-06-12T20:04:59+0100] <@mattst88> hah, my cat will only accept if she gets treats as compensation
[2022-06-12T20:05:12+0100] <@sam_> alrighty, we'll crack on, and hopefully mgorny can join us in a bit
[2022-06-12T20:05:20+0100] <@sam_> 2. Approval of GLEP 68 update for language tags change (https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/0d0ea85d6b1efe334124154fa9956e93)
[2022-06-12T20:05:29+0100] <@sam_> this is IMO pretty straightforward
[2022-06-12T20:05:41+0100] <@sam_> it's ulm's motion so I'll let him summarise
[2022-06-12T20:06:04+0100] <@ulm> it's all in the commit message
[2022-06-12T20:06:28+0100] <@ulm> basically will allow things like lang="pt-BR" in package and category metadata
[2022-06-12T20:06:40+0100] <@mattst88> yeah, seems like an obvious and good change
[2022-06-12T20:06:39+0100] <@sam_> it is, I dare say, a no-brainer
[2022-06-12T20:07:01+0100] <@sam_> any questions? concerns? 
[2022-06-12T20:08:03+0100] <@sam_> motion: Approval of GLEP 68 update for language tags change
[2022-06-12T20:08:07+0100] <@mattst88> nope, let's vote
[2022-06-12T20:08:08+0100] • sam_: yes
[2022-06-12T20:08:14+0100] • mattst88: yes
[2022-06-12T20:08:22+0100] • Marecki: yes
[2022-06-12T20:08:38+0100] • gyakovlev: yes
[2022-06-12T20:09:03+0100] • dilfridge: yes
[2022-06-12T20:09:08+0100] • ulm: yes
[2022-06-12T20:09:12+0100] <@ulm> thank you
[2022-06-12T20:09:24+0100] <@sam_> great, 6 yes, 1 abstention (not present in meeting), 0 no
[2022-06-12T20:09:31+0100] <@sam_>  
[2022-06-12T20:09:33+0100] <@sam_> 3. Regular arch status review ("arch team health check") (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council#Arch-status_Reviews)
[2022-06-12T20:09:48+0100] <@sam_> "The Council periodically reviews the activity of architecture-related activities, most notably but not exclusively the turnaround time of keywording/stabilisation requests. This takes place during June and December meetings, with additional sessions if required."
[2022-06-12T20:09:59+0100] <@sam_> https://www.akhuettel.de/gentoo-bugs/arches.php
[2022-06-12T20:10:16+0100] <@sam_> I'm not aware of any specific complaints with this at the moment
[2022-06-12T20:10:27+0100] <@sam_> mattst88 recently dropped alpha back to exp because of issues w/ python keywording
[2022-06-12T20:10:37+0100] <@sam_> that would've been the only thing I'd have raised
[2022-06-12T20:10:47+0100] <@gyakovlev> mattst88 dropped alpha to -exp I think
[2022-06-12T20:11:03+0100] <@dilfridge> that recent spike in bugs for all arches, is that stabilization?
[2022-06-12T20:11:06+0100] <@mattst88> I'd say everything looks rather healthy
[2022-06-12T20:11:19+0100] <@Marecki> What's that spike visible across all arches?
[2022-06-12T20:11:21+0100] <@gyakovlev> also we need mgorny on that topic, python stablereqs are like a canary for arch issues.
[2022-06-12T20:11:23+0100] <+arthurzam> dilfridge: Yes, huge stablereq filing yesterday
[2022-06-12T20:11:19+0100] <@sam_> yeah, I think it's mgorny filing a bunch of python bugs
[2022-06-12T20:11:30+0100] <@Marecki> Stable ones, I mean
[2022-06-12T20:11:39+0100] <@sam_> but yeah, definitely gyakovlev 
[2022-06-12T20:12:03+0100] <@sam_> I think we're all fine there for now
[2022-06-12T20:12:08+0100] <@dilfridge> looks all good to me
[2022-06-12T20:12:19+0100] • dilfridge: needs to add loong to the page
[2022-06-12T20:12:18+0100] <@sam_> oh yes
[2022-06-12T20:12:25+0100] <@Marecki> Slightly concerned about mips... No trend either way.
[2022-06-12T20:12:32+0100] <@mattst88> mips is exp
[2022-06-12T20:12:38+0100] <@dilfridge> any exp arch is bad
[2022-06-12T20:12:38+0100] <@sam_> xen0n is going to be working on mips when his loong stuff is less busy too
[2022-06-12T20:13:01+0100] <@dilfridge> so let's try to get stuff to stable, even if that means dropping keywords on a lot of software
[2022-06-12T20:12:59+0100] <@sam_> so I'm not too worried about it, but yeah, exp is somewhat a vicious spiral
[2022-06-12T20:13:08+0100] <@sam_> yeah, we recently got s390 (dilfridge and I) back to stable and it helped a lot 
[2022-06-12T20:13:21+0100] <@dilfridge> s390 was relatively easy because it's server based
[2022-06-12T20:13:28+0100] <@dilfridge> mips would need a lot more work
[2022-06-12T20:13:26+0100] <@sam_> mips is going to need a rather vicious set of culling
[2022-06-12T20:13:47+0100] <@sam_> alright, nothing for us to do here then
[2022-06-12T20:13:56+0100] <@mattst88> agreed
[2022-06-12T20:13:52+0100] <@sam_>  
[2022-06-12T20:14:07+0100] <@sam_> 4. Open bugs with council participation
[2022-06-12T20:14:15+0100] <@sam_> https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&email2=council%40gentoo.org&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype2=substring&list_id=6260441&query_format=advanced
[2022-06-12T20:14:22+0100] • dilfridge: is suddenly busy elsewhere
[2022-06-12T20:14:22+0100] <@sam_> lol
[2022-06-12T20:14:23+0100] <@sam_>  
[2022-06-12T20:14:26+0100] <@sam_> bug 834997
[2022-06-12T20:14:31+0100] <willikins> sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/834997 "Missing summaries for 20211114 and 20211212 council meetings"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; ulm:dilfridge
[2022-06-12T20:14:30+0100] • sam_: glares at dilfridge 
[2022-06-12T20:14:42+0100] • dilfridge: glares... elsewhere
[2022-06-12T20:14:49+0100] <@dilfridge> i will
[2022-06-12T20:14:59+0100] <@sam_> we also have some logs missing from 2022-03-13
[2022-06-12T20:15:03+0100] <@gyakovlev> I'm writing april one right now, will send today.
[2022-06-12T20:15:07+0100] <@sam_> (see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs)
[2022-06-12T20:15:16+0100] <@sam_> brilliant, thanks, i sent draft for may earlier too
[2022-06-12T20:15:24+0100] <@mattst88> I think one recent meeting is waiting on me
[2022-06-12T20:15:31+0100] <@dilfridge> i should have the complete backlog
[2022-06-12T20:15:45+0100] <@sam_> everyone seems to know what they need to do then
[2022-06-12T20:15:59+0100] <@sam_> bug 835165
[2022-06-12T20:16:04+0100] <willikins> sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/835165 "Reimbursement for SSD purchase for Infra 3/14/2022"; Gentoo Foundation, Reimbursements; CONF; antarus:trustees
[2022-06-12T20:16:04+0100] <@sam_> we're done on that, so I'll drop us from CC
[2022-06-12T20:16:19+0100] <@sam_>  
[2022-06-12T20:16:20+0100] <@sam_> bug 835152
[2022-06-12T20:16:25+0100] <willikins> sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/835152 "Mirror pkgcore/* repos from github"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Git; CONF; sam:infra-bugs
[2022-06-12T20:16:30+0100] <@sam_> while this is of interest to us, we can't do anything right now about it as council
[2022-06-12T20:16:35+0100] <@sam_> someone should let us know if they feel we need to look into it
[2022-06-12T20:16:40+0100] <@sam_> so i'd propose dropping us again there too
[2022-06-12T20:16:58+0100] <@ulm> wfm
[2022-06-12T20:17:03+0100] <@sam_>  
[2022-06-12T20:17:04+0100] <@sam_> bug 176186
[2022-06-12T20:17:09+0100] <willikins> sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/176186 "Gentoo projects file hosting"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; IN_P; dsd:infra-bugs
[2022-06-12T20:17:10+0100] <+arthurzam> Um, does https://gitlab.gentoo.org/pkgcore count as done?
[2022-06-12T20:17:08+0100] <@sam_> ditto, IMO. 
[2022-06-12T20:17:22+0100] <@sam_> arthurzam: it might do, actually, I wasn't sure if that was considered stable yet
[2022-06-12T20:17:40+0100] <@sam_> but I think that's something we could talk about if it became an issue
[2022-06-12T20:17:52+0100] <+arthurzam> OK, thanks
[2022-06-12T20:17:51+0100] <@sam_> or if we abandoned gitlab efforts, etc
[2022-06-12T20:18:00+0100] <@sam_> just want to avoid us having to look at these every month
[2022-06-12T20:18:08+0100] <@sam_> doesn't mean we don't care about the issues per se, people are free to loop us in if we need to look at it
[2022-06-12T20:18:21+0100] <@sam_>  
[2022-06-12T20:18:28+0100] <@sam_> 5. Open floor
[2022-06-12T20:18:31+0100] <@sam_> Anything? :)
[2022-06-12T20:19:51+0100] <@Marecki> Not a critical thing but - how is the server upgrade coming along?
[2022-06-12T20:20:12+0100] <@sam_> I'm hoping antarus is back but not sure
[2022-06-12T20:20:35+0100] <@sam_> At last check, I know that killdeer was at least physically racked, but not yet fully set up
[2022-06-12T20:20:38+0100] <@sam_> (that's box #1)
[2022-06-12T20:20:46+0100] <@sam_> I don't know about box #2, or if it arrived yet even
[2022-06-12T20:20:55+0100] <@sam_> definitely a fair question though
[2022-06-12T20:21:16+0100] <@mgorny> sorry
[2022-06-12T20:21:17+0100] <+ajak> yeah, at least one of the servers is usable but not seen any work to get it to production ready yet
[2022-06-12T20:21:20+0100] <@sam_> I can always add in an answer if we get one from antarus or robbat2 later and make it clear it was post-meeting
[2022-06-12T20:21:25+0100] <@sam_> in the summary, that is
[2022-06-12T20:21:33+0100] <@sam_> alright, anything else?
[2022-06-12T20:21:40+0100] <@mgorny> things got delayed a little bit here ;-/
[2022-06-12T20:22:06+0100] <@Marecki> Some sort of official status update would be nice... Not at the cost of the actual work, of course.
[2022-06-12T20:22:17+0100] <@sam_> yeah, I think that's a fair request
[2022-06-12T20:22:40+0100] <@sam_> we could do it by email or bug, would you mind handling it? 
[2022-06-12T20:22:45+0100] <@mgorny> as for arches, i don't have any major issues right now
[2022-06-12T20:22:58+0100] <@mgorny> alpha was the only pain, and it's exp now, so not a problem anymore
[2022-06-12T20:23:49+0100] <@sam_> yep
[2022-06-12T20:23:50+0100] <@sam_> alright
[2022-06-12T20:24:01+0100] <@mattst88> mgorny: do we have any updates on joining an umbrella?
[2022-06-12T20:24:12+0100] <@mgorny> good one
[2022-06-12T20:24:18+0100] <@mattst88> it appears that no progress has been made by the trustees
[2022-06-12T20:24:35+0100] <@dilfridge> :)
[2022-06-12T20:24:37+0100] <@sam_> I'm not really clear on what that's even waiting on
[2022-06-12T20:24:43+0100] <@sam_> Is it "just" deciding what to go for?
[2022-06-12T20:24:52+0100] <@mattst88> someone to do something, I think
[2022-06-12T20:24:55+0100] <@mgorny> the only thing that happened is that sfconservancy has officially closed our request
[2022-06-12T20:25:05+0100] <@dilfridge> on somebody to feel entitled to do it and to do it
[2022-06-12T20:25:26+0100] <@mattst88> ISTR the president saying he was going to do stuff this time around
[2022-06-12T20:25:42+0100] <@dilfridge> make gentoo great again?
[2022-06-12T20:25:42+0100] <@sam_> feels like we end up in a cycle where it gets too close to a trustees election every time, then everyone talks about joining an umbrella beforehand, then distracted, then ...
[2022-06-12T20:25:50+0100] <@mattst88> but I think it's time for another trustees election already?
[2022-06-12T20:26:24+0100] <@dilfridge> yes, after council
[2022-06-12T20:26:55+0100] <@sam_> alrighty
[2022-06-12T20:26:57+0100] <@sam_> I think we're done 
[2022-06-12T20:27:11+0100] <@mattst88> yep
[2022-06-12T20:27:10+0100] • sam_: bangs meeting gavel