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[19:00:47] Meeting started by prometheanfire
[19:00:54] <dwfreed> $ chronyc tracking | grep NTP
[19:00:54] <dwfreed> System time     : 0.000032269 seconds fast of NTP time
[19:01:08] Meeting chairs are: dabbott|irssi, antarus, robbat2, swift, 
[19:01:12] Meeting chairs are: dabbott|irssi, antarus, robbat2, swift, prometheanfire, 
[19:01:54] <prometheanfire> .topic rollcall
[19:02:02] <dwfreed> subject
[19:02:07] Current subject: rollcall, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:02:13] <SwifT> here
[19:02:14] <dwfreed> topic tries to change the channel topic
[19:02:19] <dabbott> here
[19:02:24] <prometheanfire> here
[19:02:44] <prometheanfire> robbat2: antarus ?
[19:02:53] <prometheanfire> antarus might be moving
[19:02:59] Meeting chairs are: dabbott|irssi, antarus, robbat2, swift, prometheanfire, dabbott, 
[19:03:06] <dwfreed> he should be moved already
[19:03:57] <dwfreed> texted him
[19:04:20] <prometheanfire> thanks
[19:05:02] <prometheanfire> texted robin
[19:05:26] <prometheanfire> moving on
[19:05:41] Current subject: dabbot's items, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:05:56] <prometheanfire>  Bank: change of trustees & mailing progress
[19:06:29] <prometheanfire> dabbott: ?
[19:06:46] <prometheanfire> I always miss a b or a t when I type your name :|
[19:06:51] <dabbott> prometheanfire: you and antarus will need to call cap one again and tell them to look for your signature cards in our emails 
[19:07:26] <prometheanfire> that probably means resending the email, they don't seem to keep emails too long
[19:07:44] <dabbott> for the legacy account robbat2 was talking to tunsum about it
[19:08:16] <prometheanfire> right, I'll work with out out of meeting on the call stuff
[19:08:23] <dabbott> they like the email to come from your gentoo email account, same as for antarus 
[19:08:30] <prometheanfire> right
[19:08:39] <dabbott> thats how i got mine approved
[19:08:39] <dwfreed> antarus reports he will be absent today
[19:09:11] <ver|laptop> #.apologies :P
[19:09:31] <prometheanfire> k
[19:09:33] <dabbott> fyi tunsum is Joshua Jackson our old treasure 
[19:10:07] <dabbott> he still has access to the checking account afaik, I have access to the savings
[19:10:17] <prometheanfire> next
[19:10:23] <prometheanfire> dabbott:  Initiate Trustee Election
[19:10:23] <NeddySeagoon> Do we need to add allumini to tho Foundation web space?
[19:10:49] <dabbott> we need to start the election process https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Elections#Procedure
[19:11:22] <dabbott> lets make the recording date next months meeting
[19:11:46] <prometheanfire> sure
[19:11:59] <NeddySeagoon> Thats very traditional :)
[19:12:00] <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: would be good to have a record, sure
[19:12:16] <prometheanfire> dabbott: anything else?
[19:12:41] <dabbott> I will send oyut the emails for the election stuff
[19:12:47] <dabbott> nothing else
[19:13:21] <dabbott> who is up for election?
[19:13:43] <SwifT> my seat is
[19:13:57] <prometheanfire> robbat2 is too iirc
[19:13:58] <NeddySeagoon> robbat2 is
[19:14:09] <dabbott> antarus: ?
[19:14:24] <prometheanfire> 2 year term right?
[19:14:28] <NeddySeagoon> robbat2 has said he does not intend to stand
[19:14:34] <dabbott> yes
[19:15:33] <prometheanfire> ok, we can sort this out over the coming month I imagine
[19:15:37] <NeddySeagoon> The who is not needed for the meeting
[19:15:55] <NeddySeagoon> its needed for the emails
[19:16:18] <prometheanfire> yes
[19:16:57] <dabbott> I took over for summers, NeddySeagoon and I retired in 2016
[19:17:33] <prometheanfire> retiring doesn't mean you can't be a trustee
[19:17:37] <prometheanfire> I don't think
[19:17:40] <dwfreed> aye
[19:17:51] <dwfreed> you need only be a foundation member to be a trustee
[19:17:52] <NeddySeagoon> Retire by rotation
[19:18:24] <dabbott> we stepped aside so to speak
[19:18:33] <prometheanfire> right
[19:18:33] <SwifT> can we continue the meeting? there's still quite a few topics left (and I'm getting tired :)
[19:18:57] <prometheanfire> ya, I think we can handle this on the side before emails are sent
[19:19:10] Current subject: prometheanfire's items, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:19:15] <prometheanfire>  D&O insurance Bug 592198
[19:19:17] <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/592198 "D&O insurance"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; prometheanfire:trustees
[19:19:42] <prometheanfire> so, we had an offer for the insurance, but it's more expensive than expected
[19:20:00] <dabbott> lets put it on the back burner for later
[19:20:20] <prometheanfire> dabbott: what is 'it'?
[19:20:30] <dabbott> D&O
[19:20:58] <prometheanfire> ok, I think it's worth doing, but not sure about cost is all
[19:21:03] <dabbott> insurance in general
[19:21:03] <prometheanfire> next
[19:21:08] <prometheanfire>  prune the email aliases (trustees, paypal, cafepress, etc) of old members/trustees.
[19:21:31] <prometheanfire> I'll do that this week, anyone have anything of note for the pruning?
[19:22:43] <SwifT> prometheanfire: do we have an archival user of some kind which keeps the received mails "just in case"? Or do we assume that the members do that?
[19:23:01] <prometheanfire> that seems smart, I'll talk to robbat2 about it
[19:23:21] <NeddySeagoon> I have the mails going back to 2008 ... except the spam.
[19:23:46] <prometheanfire> I don't have anything else I think is needed this month
[19:23:47] <prometheanfire> next?
[19:24:15] <SwifT> yup, next
[19:24:26] Current subject: swit's stuff, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:24:31] <prometheanfire>  Short feedback on artwork approval process: 
[19:24:32] <SwifT> two things
[19:24:51] <SwifT> I've (today) uploaded the process for artwork approval on the Project:Artwork wiki
[19:25:06] <dabbott> SwifT: thanks :)
[19:25:14] <SwifT> part of it is the creation of an additional bugzilla component, for which i've created a bug report for infra to handle
[19:25:35] <SwifT> I don't think they'll have an issue with it - but if they do, we can work around it
[19:25:50] <SwifT> I'm also going to make myself a member of the project for now to follow things up
[19:25:58] <SwifT> and get things started with the next approval
[19:26:09] <SwifT> speaking of which (second stuff), we got a request to approve artwork
[19:26:31] <SwifT> I couldn't initiate it through the documented process yet, and I don't think we should have the requestee wait for another month, so I would like this meetings' consent on it
[19:26:52] <SwifT> he would like to create a personal t-shirt (no selling otherwise) because he's a fond Gentoo user
[19:27:06] <SwifT> see bug #619150
[19:27:09] <willikins> SwifT: https://bugs.gentoo.org/619150 "Grant use of Gentoo logo for personal t-shirt design (Tobias Wensing)"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; swift:trustees
[19:27:30] <prometheanfire> I've already given my approval there
[19:27:40] <SwifT> I personally don't see a problem with his request. There's no distortion of any kind on the logo (just a purple filter)
[19:27:47] <SwifT> and the dots just mean "gentoo" in braille 
[19:27:59] <dabbott> I just approved on the bug
[19:28:15] <SwifT> great, thanks
[19:28:18] <prometheanfire> I also think that a monochromatic official image would be useful to us for things like flags and t-shirts
[19:28:49] <SwifT> prometheanfire: that's indeed a good idea, i'll suggest it toward the artwork project as well
[19:29:06] <SwifT> that's all for me
[19:29:22] <prometheanfire> k
[19:29:30] <prometheanfire> is alicef around?
[19:29:38] <alicef> yes
[19:29:54] <dabbott> hi alicef 
[19:29:59] <alicef> hi
[19:30:01] Current subject: Is SPI worth another look? Status?, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:30:50] <prometheanfire> alicef: floor is yours :D
[19:31:27] <alicef> sorry didn't had so much time to look into it, still have to send the mail.
[19:32:08] <prometheanfire> np, we can hold off on it for next month
[19:32:39] <alicef> next week I have presentation and still busy with work interview
[19:33:10] <prometheanfire> good luck :D
[19:33:29] <alicef> thanks
[19:33:47] <prometheanfire> next
[19:33:54] <alicef> I will talk about Gentoo Kernel project at Open Source Summit 
[19:33:59] <prometheanfire> open bugs
[19:34:05] <prometheanfire> alicef: :D
[19:34:13] <prometheanfire> I'll list the bugs since last meeting
[19:34:21] <prometheanfire> bug 611376
[19:34:23] <willikins> prometheanfire: https://bugs.gentoo.org/611376 "New GitHub Terms of Service"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ulm:trustees
[19:34:37] <prometheanfire> here I think we don't need to take action
[19:35:02] <dabbott> prometheanfire: agreed
[19:35:36] <prometheanfire> vote then?
[19:36:10] <dabbott> no, I would just wait and see what happens for now
[19:36:34] <prometheanfire> eh, I commented/voted
[19:36:44] <prometheanfire> others can feel free to if they wish
[19:37:13] <dabbott> prometheanfire: thats fine :)
[19:37:17] <prometheanfire> bug 607622
[19:37:20] <willikins> prometheanfire: https://bugs.gentoo.org/607622 "a new sparc machine is needed"; Gentoo Foundation, Infra Support; CONF; ago:trustees
[19:37:41] <dabbott> is infra working with him to get something?
[19:37:47] <prometheanfire> I'm not sure
[19:37:54] <prometheanfire> I just searched ebay and the servers are cheap
[19:38:05] <prometheanfire> T5220 for less that 200
[19:38:35] <dabbott> He needs to fill out a funding request once he decides what he  wants, I would approve most likely
[19:38:55] <prometheanfire> right
[19:38:56] <prometheanfire> same
[19:39:00] <prometheanfire> k, next then
[19:39:09] <dabbott> where is it going to be hosted etc
[19:39:34] Current subject: next meeting date, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:39:42] <prometheanfire>      Date of Next Meeting - Sun June 18 2017 19:00 UTC
[19:39:45] <prometheanfire> that fine for others?
[19:39:54] <dabbott> ok here
[19:39:57] <prometheanfire> same
[19:39:58] <SwifT> yup
[19:40:13] <prometheanfire> k, tentitive ack based on antarus/robbat2
[19:40:21] Current subject: open floor, (set by prometheanfire)
[19:41:21] <prometheanfire> gonna keep it open til 1945
[19:42:10] <NeddySeagoon> Thats fathers day
[19:42:19] <alicef> we was talking about gentoo.slack.com, and if infra want to manage it.
[19:42:20] <NeddySeagoon> Two things
[19:42:24] <alicef> with prometheanfire
[19:42:40] <NeddySeagoon> SwifT: Will you stand for a further term?
[19:42:44] <prometheanfire> alicef: I personally try to avoid slack, define manage
[19:43:00] <alicef> get ownership 
[19:43:05] <NeddySeagoon> aliases etc includes bugs and wiki
[19:43:34] <alicef> as now the owner is on three gentoo dev if i remeber correctly
[19:43:43] <SwifT> NeddySeagoon: not likely, i have significant time issues to do anything useful and it's not going to get better the first time period
[19:43:58] <prometheanfire> alicef: shouldn't it be managed by comrel and/or pr?
[19:44:00] <SwifT> NeddySeagoon: my real-life job is getting very, very interesting, but also very daunting and time-consuming
[19:44:18] <alicef> prometheanfire: whchever for me is ok 
[19:44:23] <dabbott> SwifT: me too
[19:44:35] <NeddySeagoon> SwifT: I've been there done that.   Good luck.
[19:44:46] <alicef> ah maffblaster is also admin
[19:45:33] <prometheanfire> alicef: bring it up next meeting (I'll add it under yourself for the agenda)
[19:45:39] <prometheanfire> maybe open a bug
[19:45:52] <alicef> as now is used by gentoo jp community mainly
[19:46:00] <ver|laptop> possibly review in 6mo?
[19:46:12] <prometheanfire> NeddySeagoon: sounds like a bunch of new blood then, SwifT robbat2 at the very least
[19:46:15] <prometheanfire> ver|laptop: review?
[19:46:19] <alicef> we are giving manly user support
[19:46:26] <ver|laptop> prometheanfire: review g.slack.com
[19:46:31] <dabbott> I am going to nominate maffblaster and alicef for trustee's :)
[19:46:58] <ver|laptop> alicef: is this english or jp? would it be helpful to have a distinction, or is it working ok as is?
[19:47:04] <NeddySeagoon> dabbott: Not yet ... you have to wait for nominations to open  :)
[19:47:08] <prometheanfire> dabbott: sgtm
[19:47:09] <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: what about you, readdy for a comeback :P
[19:47:26] <alicef> ver|laptop: it have channels similar to irc 
[19:47:33] <NeddySeagoon> dabbott: Not this year.  Maybe in a year or two
[19:47:34] <ver|laptop> alicef: aha yes, ofc. 
[19:47:39] <ver|laptop> ty ^
[19:47:42] <dabbott> rats :(
[19:47:44] <alicef> so gentoo-ja is manly in japanese
[19:47:59] <alicef> and is bidirectional mirrored to irc
[19:48:10] <ver|laptop> imho, with maff as admin, its in 'pr's camp :D
[19:48:12] <NeddySeagoon> dabbott: I'll be nipping at your heels though
[19:48:13] <alicef> so if someone write in irc it come up in slack
[19:48:27] <ver|laptop> alicef: yup seen that elsewhere .. its quite handy :D
[19:49:01] <alicef> if someone is interested i keep the slack page here https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Aliceinwire/Gentoo_Slack
[19:49:03] <ver|laptop> it breaks gentoo out of the irc 'mould' a bit
[19:49:10] <dabbott> NeddySeagoon: thanks I need help on procedure sometimes 
[19:49:23] <alicef> as now #gentoo-jp and #gentoo-dotnet are connected to slack
[19:49:26] <ver|laptop> any accessibility improvements gotta be a + imho. but thats just my 2c
[19:49:34] <prometheanfire> same rules as irc imo
[19:49:56] <ver|laptop> prometheanfire: probably worth making that clear as a gentoo channel .. but is it official or not?! :)
[19:50:19] <ver|laptop> I guess that could be tabled for next month prehaps
[19:50:28] <prometheanfire> ver|laptop: ya
[19:50:33] <alicef> ya
[19:50:43] <prometheanfire> also, we could wait til/if alicef and maffblaster are trustees
[19:50:52] <ver|laptop> lol true
[19:50:52] <alicef> what ?
[19:51:03] <prometheanfire> alicef: more work
[19:51:13] <alicef> eh 
[19:51:53] <ver|laptop> chuckles .
[19:52:03] <ver|laptop> alicef: did you see dabbott's nomination?!
[19:52:23] <ver|laptop> I believe it was a joke :D
[19:53:10] <alicef> I will think about it
[19:53:12] <alicef> :)
[19:53:21] <ver|laptop> (thumbsup)
[19:53:27] <dabbott> no joke, just not official yet just a hope they will be interested
[19:53:59] <dabbott> we need interested people to get involved
[19:54:04] <prometheanfire> yep
[19:54:08] <ver|laptop> dabbott: yeah, normally they have to agree to stand first :P lolol
[19:54:22] <ver|laptop> minor technicality
[19:54:32] <ver|laptop> prometheanfire: do you wish to close up .. tis 1953h UTC here
[19:54:37] <dabbott> thinking out loud :)
[19:55:21] <prometheanfire> yep, I think we are done
[19:55:24] Meeting ended by prometheanfire, total meeting length 3276 seconds